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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with a college swimmer returning to the summer league because they can for one more year. Turnabout is fair play, if it’s ok for club swimmers to swim in the summer rec league, the D1 swim can too. They meet the age requirements, so why not?

The problem with this entire issue is there are a bunch of parents who pay a boatload for their kids to swim year round and they expect for their kids to crush summer rec swim - having had the advantage of hours in the pool and good coaching throughout the winter. Then they get mad that some kid who also does all those things too (or is just simply a summer swimmer who happens to be a strong athlete) benefits from the birthday cutoff - never recognizing or acknowledging the hypocrisy that their kid has a huge advantage over a large portion of the summer rec swim population because they choose to do club swim and can afford it.

The advantage created by a summer birthday is nothing compared to that created by club swimming.

Exactly! My son has an early fall birthday so in theory the birthday rule favors him. He has done summer swim for several years now, and last year he didn’t even bother competing at meets because all the year-round swimmers won everything year after year. Summer swim stopped being fun. This year we changed clubs, and went to a more relaxed lower level club. He enjoyed swimming again. He made it to all stars, where he got crushed by year round swimmers. At first he was upset, but we explained that to make it to all stars when he’s not a year-round swimmer is amazing and he should be proud of himself.

I’m thinking you mean he made it to divisionals. All stars is tomorrow so he hasn’t had the opportunity to be ‘crushed’ yet.

All Stars was last week in our league. This weekend is mid-caps. Hint - different leagues do all stars at different times.

I always find it bizarre when someone enters a thread that is primarily about something local- e.g. NVSL, then answers as if they are talking about the same thing- and when pressed for how their answer doesn't make sense, responds in a sarcastic manner in some variation of 'there are other places in the world.' No idea what mid-caps means- I don't think your experience is representative of what we are really talking about here b/c you are using words in a totally different way.

I find a bizarre that you find it bizarre that someone participates in a thread about swimming and the title that thread did not include the name of the league. That means it’s open to anybody to comment about their experience.

I think you are being purposely obtuse. The thread states that the OP made their observation at Divisionals - which occurred the weekend the post was made. Do all regional leagues have a meet called Divisionals the same weekend?

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with a college swimmer returning to the summer league because they can for one more year. Turnabout is fair play, if it’s ok for club swimmers to swim in the summer rec league, the D1 swim can too. They meet the age requirements, so why not?

The problem with this entire issue is there are a bunch of parents who pay a boatload for their kids to swim year round and they expect for their kids to crush summer rec swim - having had the advantage of hours in the pool and good coaching throughout the winter. Then they get mad that some kid who also does all those things too (or is just simply a summer swimmer who happens to be a strong athlete) benefits from the birthday cutoff - never recognizing or acknowledging the hypocrisy that their kid has a huge advantage over a large portion of the summer rec swim population because they choose to do club swim and can afford it.

The advantage created by a summer birthday is nothing compared to that created by club swimming.

Exactly! My son has an early fall birthday so in theory the birthday rule favors him. He has done summer swim for several years now, and last year he didn’t even bother competing at meets because all the year-round swimmers won everything year after year. Summer swim stopped being fun. This year we changed clubs, and went to a more relaxed lower level club. He enjoyed swimming again. He made it to all stars, where he got crushed by year round swimmers. At first he was upset, but we explained that to make it to all stars when he’s not a year-round swimmer is amazing and he should be proud of himself.

I’m thinking you mean he made it to divisionals. All stars is tomorrow so he hasn’t had the opportunity to be ‘crushed’ yet.

All Stars was last week in our league. This weekend is mid-caps. Hint - different leagues do all stars at different times.

I always find it bizarre when someone enters a thread that is primarily about something local- e.g. NVSL, then answers as if they are talking about the same thing- and when pressed for how their answer doesn't make sense, responds in a sarcastic manner in some variation of 'there are other places in the world.' No idea what mid-caps means- I don't think your experience is representative of what we are really talking about here b/c you are using words in a totally different way.

I find a bizarre that you find it bizarre that someone participates in a thread about swimming and the title that thread did not include the name of the league. That means it’s open to anybody to comment about their experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with a college swimmer returning to the summer league because they can for one more year. Turnabout is fair play, if it’s ok for club swimmers to swim in the summer rec league, the D1 swim can too. They meet the age requirements, so why not?

The problem with this entire issue is there are a bunch of parents who pay a boatload for their kids to swim year round and they expect for their kids to crush summer rec swim - having had the advantage of hours in the pool and good coaching throughout the winter. Then they get mad that some kid who also does all those things too (or is just simply a summer swimmer who happens to be a strong athlete) benefits from the birthday cutoff - never recognizing or acknowledging the hypocrisy that their kid has a huge advantage over a large portion of the summer rec swim population because they choose to do club swim and can afford it.

The advantage created by a summer birthday is nothing compared to that created by club swimming.

Exactly! My son has an early fall birthday so in theory the birthday rule favors him. He has done summer swim for several years now, and last year he didn’t even bother competing at meets because all the year-round swimmers won everything year after year. Summer swim stopped being fun. This year we changed clubs, and went to a more relaxed lower level club. He enjoyed swimming again. He made it to all stars, where he got crushed by year round swimmers. At first he was upset, but we explained that to make it to all stars when he’s not a year-round swimmer is amazing and he should be proud of himself.

I’m thinking you mean he made it to divisionals. All stars is tomorrow so he hasn’t had the opportunity to be ‘crushed’ yet.

All Stars was last week in our league. This weekend is mid-caps. Hint - different leagues do all stars at different times.

I always find it bizarre when someone enters a thread that is primarily about something local- e.g. NVSL, then answers as if they are talking about the same thing- and when pressed for how their answer doesn't make sense, responds in a sarcastic manner in some variation of 'there are other places in the world.' No idea what mid-caps means- I don't think your experience is representative of what we are really talking about here b/c you are using words in a totally different way.

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Anonymous wrote:Winner of three events at all stars today: college swimmer back to swim rec swim.

Winner of Girls 11-12 50 Back: Just turned 12. Had the fastest 50 Back girls time in the entire meet. Beat 13-14 and 15-18 winners. Would have gotten 9th in 13-14 Boys. (Won Girls 11-12 Free too.) Also, currently #1 in the **entire U.S.** in 50 Back SCY and 100 Back SCY, and #2 in the **entire U.S.** in 50 Back LCM. Also top ten in entire U.S. in almost everything else.
Stop talking about age.

Anonymous wrote:Winner of three events at all stars today: college swimmer back to swim rec swim.

Anonymous wrote:What All Stars are you talking about where you can swim 3 events?

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Anonymous wrote:Winner of three events at all stars today: college swimmer back to swim rec swim.

Winner of Girls 11-12 50 Back: Just turned 12. Had the fastest 50 Back girls time in the entire meet. Beat 13-14 and 15-18 winners. Would have gotten 9th in 13-14 Boys. (Won Girls 11-12 Free too.) Also, currently #1 in the **entire U.S.** in 50 Back SCY and 100 Back SCY, and #2 in the **entire U.S.** in 50 Back LCM. Also top ten in entire U.S. in almost everything else.
Stop talking about age.

Anonymous wrote:Winner of three events at all stars today: college swimmer back to swim rec swim.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with a college swimmer returning to the summer league because they can for one more year. Turnabout is fair play, if it’s ok for club swimmers to swim in the summer rec league, the D1 swim can too. They meet the age requirements, so why not?

The problem with this entire issue is there are a bunch of parents who pay a boatload for their kids to swim year round and they expect for their kids to crush summer rec swim - having had the advantage of hours in the pool and good coaching throughout the winter. Then they get mad that some kid who also does all those things too (or is just simply a summer swimmer who happens to be a strong athlete) benefits from the birthday cutoff - never recognizing or acknowledging the hypocrisy that their kid has a huge advantage over a large portion of the summer rec swim population because they choose to do club swim and can afford it.

The advantage created by a summer birthday is nothing compared to that created by club swimming.

Exactly! My son has an early fall birthday so in theory the birthday rule favors him. He has done summer swim for several years now, and last year he didn’t even bother competing at meets because all the year-round swimmers won everything year after year. Summer swim stopped being fun. This year we changed clubs, and went to a more relaxed lower level club. He enjoyed swimming again. He made it to all stars, where he got crushed by year round swimmers. At first he was upset, but we explained that to make it to all stars when he’s not a year-round swimmer is amazing and he should be proud of himself.

I’m thinking you mean he made it to divisionals. All stars is tomorrow so he hasn’t had the opportunity to be ‘crushed’ yet.

All Stars was last week in our league. This weekend is mid-caps. Hint - different leagues do all stars at different times.

I always find it bizarre when someone enters a thread that is primarily about something local- e.g. NVSL, then answers as if they are talking about the same thing- and when pressed for how their answer doesn't make sense, responds in a sarcastic manner in some variation of 'there are other places in the world.' No idea what mid-caps means- I don't think your experience is representative of what we are really talking about here b/c you are using words in a totally different way.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with a college swimmer returning to the summer league because they can for one more year. Turnabout is fair play, if it’s ok for club swimmers to swim in the summer rec league, the D1 swim can too. They meet the age requirements, so why not?

The problem with this entire issue is there are a bunch of parents who pay a boatload for their kids to swim year round and they expect for their kids to crush summer rec swim - having had the advantage of hours in the pool and good coaching throughout the winter. Then they get mad that some kid who also does all those things too (or is just simply a summer swimmer who happens to be a strong athlete) benefits from the birthday cutoff - never recognizing or acknowledging the hypocrisy that their kid has a huge advantage over a large portion of the summer rec swim population because they choose to do club swim and can afford it.

The advantage created by a summer birthday is nothing compared to that created by club swimming.

Exactly! My son has an early fall birthday so in theory the birthday rule favors him. He has done summer swim for several years now, and last year he didn’t even bother competing at meets because all the year-round swimmers won everything year after year. Summer swim stopped being fun. This year we changed clubs, and went to a more relaxed lower level club. He enjoyed swimming again. He made it to all stars, where he got crushed by year round swimmers. At first he was upset, but we explained that to make it to all stars when he’s not a year-round swimmer is amazing and he should be proud of himself.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/katie-ledecky-returns-to-her-summer-swim-league-to-sign-autographs--and-set-records/2014/07/05/023f7b54-0392-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html

The great thing about summer swim is that it is for everyone. But then parents go and ruin it by calculating kids ages down to the month and claiming an unfair advantage.

Katie Ledecky, Phoebe Bacon and Erin Gemmill have an unfair advantage over my kids - they are phenomenal swimmers. I seriously doubt their birthdate has anything to do with it.

Moral of the story - teach your kids that life isn't fair and to do the best with what gifts you do have.

So you admit the birthday rule is unfair.