They're retiring after 30 years with 90% to 100% of their monthly pay plus benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

Yes, you can cut some red state jobs too! We're not against that.

Do you think you're being clever by pitting one group against another? You aren't.

These budget deficits and ridiculous federal pensions are killing the U.S.

Now the true colors are showing. You are jelly. Why are you jealous of their pensions? The employees help to self-fund those pensions. And the feds are not the only workers that receive pensions. There are plenty of private sector jobs whose benefits rival and top the benefits offered by the feds, and some of the benefits are transportable.

+1 How much do you think the pensions are? As a retiree, I absolutely still need to work -- and I will do so until I get close to 70, probably. Maybe if I moved to Idabel, Oklahoma, I could live on my pension; but, the reality is our pensions have gotten much smaller, with a greater contribution on our part.

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

Yes, you can cut some red state jobs too! We're not against that.

Do you think you're being clever by pitting one group against another? You aren't.

These budget deficits and ridiculous federal pensions are killing the U.S.

Now the true colors are showing. You are jelly. Why are you jealous of their pensions? The employees help to self-fund those pensions. And the feds are not the only workers that receive pensions. There are plenty of private sector jobs whose benefits rival and top the benefits offered by the feds, and some of the benefits are transportable.

Yes, I am jelly. That's it.

No actually, having someone work for 30 years and then collect retirement and benefits for 30 another years doesn't work. The math doesn't work.

I would love stable compounding interest to take care of it, but it doesn't.

And also, look at Social Security. When it first started, we had around 148 workers for every retiree. Now it's down to about 2.9 workers for every retiree. There's no interest accrued in it either. It's basically tap the workers through FICA and send a check to the retiree with that amount plus what's coming out of Social Security savings.

The pyramid is collapsing. It makes no interest and it's financially in trouble. The trustees say that every year. And the only answer the democrats have is to take an increasing percentage of the workers pay check to keep the music going. It's not fair to young workers who are trying to support themselves (maybe buy their first house or start a family) to ask them to keep kicking in more to a ponzi scheme (FIFO queue) that they're not going to see or they're going to see a much smaller payout with devalued dollars in 20 or 30 years.

Realistically, there's a lot of selfishness being promoted though these social schemes and people are not willingly participating. They're having it confiscated from their pay by force of government. I'm tired of our masterminds and their schemes. The founders never envisioned this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:A ton of federal jobs could go remote and others could be increasingly automated via AI.

Which ones?

DP but really anything that is review oriented or policy oriented. AI can be trained on both.

Any job the crunches numbers and writes reports.

Any job that involves review of documents.

Any job that involves putting together any type of documentation.

and so on....

You have no idea how ignorant you sound to people who are in the know.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh fun, another thread full of hate towards federal employees by people who don’t know anything about the government.

For people who claim Feds don’t work they clearly have very little going on themselves…

They don’t even know what the government does. It is sad that conservatives have maligned the government and its workers for so long that a large number of Americans have no idea what the government does. I am just very tired of uneducated/stupid MAGA. They aren’t going to wake up until it’s too late, especially MAGA in the Midwest or more rural America. The quality of life for rural and midwestern Americans is exponentially better because of government. They wouldn’t even have electricity had it not been for government intervention! But yea, drown it a bathtub. 🙄

And you obviously know nothing about the Midwest. It’s the rust belt that made this country an industrial powerhouse. Its farmlands feed the nation. It actually produces things necessary for A nation to grow and thrive. That electricity comment you made is ridiculous.

What? You clearly don’t know anything about the history of electrification in the U.S. I also am from the Midwest. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Why would Republicans who believe in smaller government want to move government jobs out across the US? It’ll just make it harder when they inevitably want to slash those jobs. You’ll get Repubkican politicians pushing back at any RIFs of their constituents.

You can do both-slash some and move most of the remaining out.

Agree this is what will happen.

It's much more palatable politically to have federal employees spread across the country. They contribute to economic stability, they pay into state/local tax coffers and the argument will be made that being "local" they are more in tune with your average Americans than those who are DC-based and entrenched.

Not to mention the salary savings - many jobs that are GS-12+ in DC could easily be reclassified to the GS-9 level elsewhere, and still be considered a very good wage, even for supervisory positions.

I’m not following the second paragraph- why would a GS-12 position be reclassified to a GS-9? Locality pay would be less in most other metro areas, but that’s different than reclassifying positions to a lower grade.

Why reclassify to lower grade? Simply put - because they can. Just like they can reclassify grades to be higher. In our area, the biggest fed office is Social Security. The supervisor there is a GS-9 who oversees about a dozen employees. They told me they desperately need more people to do the work in their office, but can't get positions.

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Anonymous wrote:A ton of federal jobs could go remote and others could be increasingly automated via AI.

Which ones?

DP but really anything that is review oriented or policy oriented. AI can be trained on both.

Any job the crunches numbers and writes reports.

Any job that involves review of documents.

Any job that involves putting together any type of documentation.

and so on....

Is not AI only as good as the data placed in the computer. Garbage in garbage out. Reminds me of the attorney who submitted a brief to the court using ChatGP and half the citations were wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:A ton of federal jobs could go remote and others could be increasingly automated via AI.

Which ones?

DP but really anything that is review oriented or policy oriented. AI can be trained on both.

Any job the crunches numbers and writes reports.

Any job that involves review of documents.

Any job that involves putting together any type of documentation.

and so on....

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

VA is a Blue state.

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Anonymous wrote:A ton of federal jobs could go remote and others could be increasingly automated via AI.

Which ones?

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

Yes, you can cut some red state jobs too! We're not against that.

Do you think you're being clever by pitting one group against another? You aren't.

These budget deficits and ridiculous federal pensions are killing the U.S.

Now the true colors are showing. You are jelly. Why are you jealous of their pensions? The employees help to self-fund those pensions. And the feds are not the only workers that receive pensions. There are plenty of private sector jobs whose benefits rival and top the benefits offered by the feds, and some of the benefits are transportable.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump was targeted by an Iranian plot to assassinate him (separate from the domestic shooter this past weekend at his rally!) and he/R’s in general still want to gut the federal government? Including FBI, CIA, NSA? And stop sharing intelligence info with our allies? It doesn’t make sense. The US and our allies are under constant threat of terrorist attacks. We already know Iran has infiltrated or even outright lead some of the Palestinian protests. The US would be a lot less safe if their plan went through.

It makes sense if you want to destroy the country.

We have like 2+ million federal employees. A cut of 50-100K is a blip on the radar.

You never want to cut anything. Just grow the behemoth until it takes over everything and we collapse like Soviet Russia.

There are approximately 2.2 million federal employees, in which 1.2 million of those employees support the warfighters and veterans. Homeland Security and DOT such as TSA and FAA make up another 320k. Which programs do you suggest cutting?
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-work-for-the-federal-government/

Anonymous wrote:I would welcome some sort of buyout on Jan 20. I'd be gone so fast....

Ditto!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh fun, another thread full of hate towards federal employees by people who don’t know anything about the government.

For people who claim Feds don’t work they clearly have very little going on themselves…

They don’t even know what the government does. It is sad that conservatives have maligned the government and its workers for so long that a large number of Americans have no idea what the government does. I am just very tired of uneducated/stupid MAGA. They aren’t going to wake up until it’s too late, especially MAGA in the Midwest or more rural America. The quality of life for rural and midwestern Americans is exponentially better because of government. They wouldn’t even have electricity had it not been for government intervention! But yea, drown it a bathtub. 🙄

And you obviously know nothing about the Midwest. It’s the rust belt that made this country an industrial powerhouse. Its farmlands feed the nation. It actually produces things necessary for A nation to grow and thrive. That electricity comment you made is ridiculous.

The midwest is the bread basket, but the west is the fruit basket. And a lot of those midwest corn farmers get huge subsidies and export corn.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine. I have a PhD in STEM, I will go to private industry and make 4x more money.

If this was an option for you, you'd be doing that right now.

I know many people who work for the federal government b/c they believe in serving their country. I know that seems crazy to you.

There's too many of them. Too much bloat. Our tax system can"t afford them anymore.

Time for some of them to go into private industry. Fed.gov should not be a jobs program.

How much of the taxes paid goes to government officials' salary? $260 billion per year. The government budget is $6 Trillion, so the salaries represent about 4 percent of the federal budget.

Guess what. We're running out of runway.

The INTEREST on the national debt is $1 Trillion/year and it's only going up. That's 4X your government officials salaries. Got it?

This was all predicted decades ago. Now it's happening. Everyone can sense an epic sh1* storm is on the way.

Hey guess what - TRUMP blew up the debt.

That cannot be denied.

He had the help of a democrat led Congress, did he not during a national emergency (covid)?

But you wanted to keep the sugar flowing by declaring climate change a global emergency and existential threat, correct?

Nope, he blew up the debt with the 2017 tax cuts that were only supported by GOP in the House and Senate.

Yes, Rs were in control at that point.