Anonymous wrote:Not sure if anyone followed the influencer Mama & Tata but how horrifying for her and her kids. I always wondered why someone in her situation felt the need to broadcast her entire over the top life, so not all that surprised that it was all a farce. Wonder how much she knew or if she was truly in the dark. Still feel awful for her either way.

She killed her husband. He literally died trying to keep her happy. She has to live with that. So do her children.

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Anonymous wrote:How she not know they were living in a complete house of cards? Wouldn’t their fancy Manhattan rental and borrowed furniture have tipped her off?

I know people in her social circle. She knew.

Of course she did. How could she not? Do you know why she felt compelled to continue this charade and not pare back to a more simple life? Was her husband’s life worth it?

Agreed she knew and was spending wildly right up until the bitter end (when her credit cards were declined and her husband was dead).

I think she must have known - this reads like an attempt to create plausible deniability but it isn’t possible. Their boat was repossessed and she tried to charter it. If her husband had to borrow $1000, there were so many signs. Cards were getting declined left and right. Help would’ve been going unpaid. I seriously doubt the trip was prepaid and there’s no way she would’ve thought it was.

When you owe like they owed, lenders would be blowing you up. I’ve missed a credit card payment before and they will find you. Calls emails letters. You are on notice.

What it also likely true is that they lived in debt but expected great upswings like a lot of real estate investors do. But they had no risk tolerance because they had no assets. The most wild thing about this whole story is their only sort of assets were the apartment in NYC which was leveraged to the hilt and the home in the hamptons. But they had no equity in either place. They were completely broke.

Also, how was this guy able to secure life insurance policies of $15M?! And then I guess he went through the fine print and waited out the suicide exemption clause?

Seems excessive and an abuse of the life insurance system, no?

Spending money that is not their own really disgusts me. Her utter entitlement (his too) that they should just steal whatever they need to afford what they want. They had so much, and it was not enough. Really pathetic. Other than spending a lot of money, and being skinny-- thanks to spending money on expensive workouts, nothing makes her special. She has less chance of re-marrying a rich man than any of the other women who look just like her-- and don't have kids (who will likely have issues) and a pathological spending problem.

I found the article very sad. He could’ve just come clean, sold off everything, declared personal bankruptcy, and moved in with family. Yes, it’s embarrassing but you do what you have to do for your kids.

The fact that his suicide note mentioned the $15M insurance policy suggests that he really felt that his wife and kids would be better off with money, instead of him. How incredibly sad that he believed that.

With his wife’s extravagant display of wealth, maybe she signaled to him that her love for him was only as deep as his pockets.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please post a gift link to the NYT article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/08/nyregion/brandon-miller-suicide-debt.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Bk4.EIRz.3VAEivd3Mwyz&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

The drone pic of their Hamptons house featuring the green pool full of algae is fitting for the article...

How anyone could not be happy with that gorgeous house and needed more, more. What their therapists must be saying to each other...

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Anonymous wrote:I hope her and the girls have fun living in a double wide! lol.

She’s getting 15 million from the life insurance and her family has money. She’s going to be fine.

Not to mention, I’m sure she will be remarried to someone wealthy very quickly.

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I thought life insurance didn't pay out for death by suicide.

Usually there’s a 2 year clause though. As long as policy was purchased more than 2 years before suicide. (And some other caveats related to mental health disclosure).

Frankly, I hope she doesn't get any of this money and that it goes directly to her children with a trustee in charge of the money that is NOT their mother to ensure that it is spent on the children's education and not on mama's lavish lifestyle. I mean, I hope this lady ends up understanding her contribution to all of this - if she wasn't insistent on this lavish lifestyle, her husband might have had a chance.

They don’t need $15M for education. Some of it should go to the debtors.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please post a gift link to the NYT article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/08/nyregion/brandon-miller-suicide-debt.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Bk4.EIRz.3VAEivd3Mwyz&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

The drone pic of their Hamptons house featuring the green pool full of algae is fitting for the article...

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watch this short video. knowing what we know now. look at her husband's eyes. so sad.

Wow. Total cringe.

I’d never heard of these people until reading the NYT article, but I find it interesting that everyone’s demonizing the wife for her lavish spending habits. Like the guy was some kind of victim. He dug his own hole.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope her and the girls have fun living in a double wide! lol.

Not to mention, I’m sure she will be remarried to someone wealthy very quickly.

No one will want to marry someone so flashy and with such a major spending problem.

She will light any rich man’s money on fire.

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Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who knows people in their circle. I honestly find this situation so incredibly sad and disturbing. It's hard to stifle the schadenfreude- I am repulsed by people who brag and post like she did- but at the same time, I do believe that she was kept in the dark about the degree of financial trouble they were in. Not only does she have to manage her family's grief, but to be dragged through the mud and now sued? Ooof. That is not to say that she should not be accountable - she should. And her behavior and need to impress surely drove much of this. But man, this is a really sad situation.

She seems to be getting what she deserved. Spending and flaunting their “wealth” like she did - it’s disgusting.

True, but their kids don’t deserve it. They didn’t need or want all the opulence. They needed their dad, though. Poor girls.

What is wrong with you? No one "deserves" to lose a loved one to suicide.

What loved won? They were a pair of disgusting selfish crooks. There was no love there. They didn't even love their own kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope her and the girls have fun living in a double wide! lol.

She’s getting 15 million from the life insurance and her family has money. She’s going to be fine.

Not to mention, I’m sure she will be remarried to someone wealthy very quickly.

She needs to remarry ASAP. The 15 mil in insurance is not going to go far at all. 17 mil debt was just the tip if the iceberg. Her best bet is to give the creditors a little, grovel, and remarry asap. Change her name and have new DG adopt the girls and change their last names too. Bascially, never looks back.

I thought you don’t get life insurance money from a suicide

Or from a massive criminal enterprise.

Anonymous wrote:Posting photos of your children on public social media should be illegal. I will die on this hill.

If kids are in public social media posts, they should be entitled to all the compensation and protections of child actors. Whatever you have to do to hire a seven year old to be in a magazine ad you should have to do to post them on public social media.

Yeah they should be forced to get parent's permission and keep 15% of their payments in trust.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so very sad for their daughters. I hope they recover and ultimately transcend this tragedy in their lives (caused by their parents' terrible choices). What a mess.

So dramatic! These girls are not special. Many kids lose a father and have a shitty, vacuous, and self-involved mother. They too will survive.

Not dramatic at all. It's called sympathy. And hopefully they do successfully navigate this and don't become shitty adults themselves.