Anonymous wrote:How is UChicago managing its fake admission rates? UChicago is a tippy-top school. Someone has an axe to grind, I guess. Rejected parents are something to behold. The kids usually just move on, but for some reason the parents become quite bitter and nutso.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

What objective evidence do you base the bolded on?

Because my husband and I interview for two ivies, and the calibre of student has only been going up. We joke that neither one of us could get in today like we did 20+ years ago.

Do you watch the news? They couldn't be that bright if they were so easily radicalized.

Many college students go through a period of being dumb, Ivies aren’t excluded. But the issue with the Ivies is that employers are becoming increasingly skeptical of Ivy grads because of the entitlement.

The other issue is that a lot of big employers started hiring programs at non-Ivy schools, originally for diversity purposes, but now they find they like those grads because they are hardworking. Ivy grads aren’t seen as the pinnacle of best employees as they used to be seen.

I don’t think radicalization is a factor to be honest.

I agree with a lot of this about the entitlement part. I do think the radicalization is a factor. it used to be these colleges were a place for lively discussion and embracing differences of opinion and learning from eachother. Harassment has become normalized. These young people are getting away with crossing abusive lines we would never have crossed decades alone. No workplace needs to be inundated with lawsuits from some entitled young person who learned it's totally OK to bully a minority group. They have been empowered in their audacity and hate by leadership. It will take more than a quick training session to undo that.

Look at the quality of Harvard with their affirmation action losses, antisemitism, and plagiarism. It's sitting on a dung pile ready to collapse.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

What objective evidence do you base the bolded on?

Because my husband and I interview for two ivies, and the calibre of student has only been going up. We joke that neither one of us could get in today like we did 20+ years ago.

Do you watch the news? They couldn't be that bright if they were so easily radicalized.

Many college students go through a period of being dumb, Ivies aren’t excluded. But the issue with the Ivies is that employers are becoming increasingly skeptical of Ivy grads because of the entitlement.

The other issue is that a lot of big employers started hiring programs at non-Ivy schools, originally for diversity purposes, but now they find they like those grads because they are hardworking. Ivy grads aren’t seen as the pinnacle of best employees as they used to be seen.

I don’t think radicalization is a factor to be honest.

I agree with a lot of this about the entitlement part. I do think the radicalization is a factor. it used to be these colleges were a place for lively discussion and embracing differences of opinion and learning from eachother. Harassment has become normalized. These young people are getting away with crossing abusive lines we would never have crossed decades alone. No workplace needs to be inundated with lawsuits from some entitled young person who learned it's totally OK to bully a minority group. They have been empowered in their audacity and hate by leadership. It will take more than a quick training session to undo that.

Look at the quality of Harvard with their affirmation action losses, antisemitism, and plagiarism. It's sitting on a dung pile ready to collapse.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

What objective evidence do you base the bolded on?

Because my husband and I interview for two ivies, and the calibre of student has only been going up. We joke that neither one of us could get in today like we did 20+ years ago.

Do you watch the news? They couldn't be that bright if they were so easily radicalized.

Many college students go through a period of being dumb, Ivies aren’t excluded. But the issue with the Ivies is that employers are becoming increasingly skeptical of Ivy grads because of the entitlement.

The other issue is that a lot of big employers started hiring programs at non-Ivy schools, originally for diversity purposes, but now they find they like those grads because they are hardworking. Ivy grads aren’t seen as the pinnacle of best employees as they used to be seen.

I don’t think radicalization is a factor to be honest.

I agree with a lot of this about the entitlement part. I do think the radicalization is a factor. it used to be these colleges were a place for lively discussion and embracing differences of opinion and learning from eachother. Harassment has become normalized. These young people are getting away with crossing abusive lines we would never have crossed decades alone. No workplace needs to be inundated with lawsuits from some entitled young person who learned it's totally OK to bully a minority group. They have been empowered in their audacity and hate by leadership. It will take more than a quick training session to undo that.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

What objective evidence do you base the bolded on?

Because my husband and I interview for two ivies, and the calibre of student has only been going up. We joke that neither one of us could get in today like we did 20+ years ago.

Do you watch the news? They couldn't be that bright if they were so easily radicalized.

Many college students go through a period of being dumb, Ivies aren’t excluded. But the issue with the Ivies is that employers are becoming increasingly skeptical of Ivy grads because of the entitlement.

The other issue is that a lot of big employers started hiring programs at non-Ivy schools, originally for diversity purposes, but now they find they like those grads because they are hardworking. Ivy grads aren’t seen as the pinnacle of best employees as they used to be seen.

I don’t think radicalization is a factor to be honest.

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Anonymous wrote:They couldn't be that bright if they were so easily radicalized.

You sound paranoid.

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM will continue to be overly popular.

Schools with strong comp sci or business departments are next.

Schools that aggressively manage their admissions process to lower their fake admit rates and inflated yields are next (Chicago, Northeastern, etc.).

Schools that don’t fit any of the above will suffer.

Hoping something will stop this aggressive admissions management, which to me is making anxiety worse and is more pernicious than all the AA/legacy/etc. policies everyone complains about.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

What objective evidence do you base the bolded on?

Because my husband and I interview for two ivies, and the calibre of student has only been going up. We joke that neither one of us could get in today like we did 20+ years ago.

The problem is not all those interview are not getting admitted. DD and her friends have high SAT and GPA and reasonable EC but wasn't admitted while lower academic score students from their HH are admitted.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

What objective evidence do you base the bolded on?

Because my husband and I interview for two ivies, and the calibre of student has only been going up. We joke that neither one of us could get in today like we did 20+ years ago.

Do you watch the news? They couldn't be that bright if they were so easily radicalized.

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Well, yes, a child visiting someone she knows will indeed have a different experience. But in general, these campuses have become dreary and dead.

I would submit that the reason kids visit students they know is to get a real look at the school, beyond the generic walk around the campus, what they heard from their next door neighbor's cousin's boyfriend, & the admissions office pitch. We've visited all the Ivy League schools in the last 1.5 years and UPenn is the only one that I would describe as "dreary and dead." I think it's funny a few people are trying to tear down the Ivy reputations. They are and will continue to be highly sought after. Yale recently had to institute a pre-screening process to address the increase in apps and I won't be surprised if other schools follow. I agree with a PP that B1G 10 schools are currently very popular - NU and MI have been popular for decades, but WI, MN, IN, Purdue, and OSU are also top choices.

Oh, the Ivies will still be highly sought after. But that doesn’t mean that the environment on campus isn’t grim.

There is a reason Yale has come under so much recent criticism for how it handles mental health issues and why so many students there have have mental health struggles. Elite? Yes. But decidedly grim, dreary, and unfriendly.

I think this is largely true. You have to recall that the New England Ivies were absolutely awful during COVID. Miserable places. No 18 year old wanted any part of that. Every day seems like a purity test up there.

For the standout schools, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, MIT, and Stanford will become the desirable schools - much more than Harvard and Yale and the other dour NE schools.

Public Honors programs will become ever more popular. There aren't a lot of families that can drop $400,000 per child on college. There's a number when it gets ridiculous, and we've reached that. A lot of talent is going to stay in-state. People seem to want a rah-rah go college experience. And they want good STEM. UIUC, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin - are all going to do fine. So will the SEC schools. They've been very smart with offering good merit.

Small LACs in unpleasant areas in Ohio or Pennsylvania or New England are going to have a hard time. The Ivies will always be desirable. But the quality of their students is going to continue to go down.

I agree the quality of student at ivies will continue to go down, but it may remain quite popular among foreign students from some countries and those who will go into established family businesses. It will be mostly extremely wealthy people can afford any risks with the name or well funded people who fit criteria to get scholarships.

What objective evidence do you base the bolded on?

Because my husband and I interview for two ivies, and the calibre of student has only been going up. We joke that neither one of us could get in today like we did 20+ years ago.

Do you watch the news? They couldn't be that bright if they were so easily radicalized.