Anonymous wrote:The independent voter here. All you defending the Democrats not voting for McCarthy proved my point.

It takes two to tango. In my book both are just as extremist by refusing to seek common consensus. Nothing to prevent 8 moderate Democrats to vote for McCarthy to prevent a more right wing Republican becoming speaker, which is what will probably happen.

Once again: McCarthy is not a moderate. He's a Trumpster, a MAGA, and 1/6 supporter. If you support McCarthy, you support the 1/6 extremist team who tried to overthrow our democracy.

Couple of points for the “independent” DCUMers arguing that Democrats should have saved McCarthy:

1. It is not Democrats responsibility to stop GOP from self destruction!

2. McCarthy has no integrity. He joked about Trump taking money from Russia and yet licked Trump’s boots all the time

3. McCarthy is unserious about governing when he goes to TV and blames the Democrats when majority of the votes came from them

4. McCarthy is a tool and approved of impeachment inquiry that he no basis

5. A known enemy is better than a fake friend!

Anonymous wrote:The independent voter here. All you defending the Democrats not voting for McCarthy proved my point.

It takes two to tango. In my book both are just as extremist by refusing to seek common consensus. Nothing to prevent 8 moderate Democrats to vote for McCarthy to prevent a more right wing Republican becoming speaker, which is what will probably happen.

This is called a logical fallacy. Wanting accountability for reprehensible leadership that broke bipartisan deals and pandered to MAGA grievances does not make Dems extremist.

If a majority of republicans are not extremist then why can’t they vote for a non extremist consensus builder?

Name one such moderate Republican house member who has a decent shot at the speaker position.

Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.

But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?

It takes two to tango, you know.

Looks like the talking points have been finally programmed in.

The independent voter here. All you defending the Democrats not voting for McCarthy proved my point.

It takes two to tango. In my book both are just as extremist by refusing to seek common consensus. Nothing to prevent 8 moderate Democrats to vote for McCarthy to prevent a more right wing Republican becoming speaker, which is what will probably happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.

I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.

We can’t save you from yourselves.

The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.

The fact Dems always vote as a block suggest a tyranny

Is this tyranny in the room with you now?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.

I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.

McCarthy voted against the regular transition of power on January 6.
McCarthy knew Trump was funded by Russia and still sucked up to him.
McCarthy facilitated the bogus "Impeachment" proceedings.
McCarthy tried to torpedo the Jan 6 House investigation.
McCarthy messed around with the debt ceiling and then made a deal.
McCarthy then reneged on that deal and very publicly blamed Democrats.

Why on earth should McCarthy be trusted or entrusted with anything having to do with Democrats?

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Vengeful children. [x]https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1709518747394863437?s=20[/x]

Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.

But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?

It takes two to tango, you know.

Oh FFS. When Speaker Pelosi was being challenged did Rs offer to vote for her? Or even to vote for her challenger? No. They sat it out.

Stop trying to put blame on Dems. Jeffries has be very clear. Dems are absolutely willing to work with Rs who come to them in good faith to solve real problems. None have. Kevin didn’t reach out to Dems, he tried to blame them for the near shutdown. He broke it, he’s gotta fix it.

Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.

But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?

It takes two to tango, you know.

Oh good lord. Do you know how many D votes McCarthy got for speaker when he was elected earlier this year? 0! Do you know how many R votes Nancy Pelosi got when she was voted in as speaker? 0! It is not the job of the opposing party to provide votes for the speaker of the house. If McCathy had really wanted that, he would have had to reach out to the Dems and offer them something (and they would have had to believe that this time he could be trusted). He didn’t. So here we are.

Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.

But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?

It takes two to tango, you know.

That is a Misrepresentation - Motivations matter.

Dems voted to remove him due to his acting in bad faith as speaker of house - launching impeachment proceedings without evidence, reneging on bipartisan bills to appease loony faction of Republicans

While the ultra MAGA wing of republicans have completely weaponized normal house proceedings to obstruct and block government carrying out its mandates. They opposed McCarthy because he chose to uphold bipartisan spending bill. Any negotiations with Biden or Democrats are caged in extremist military terms.

Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.

But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?

It takes two to tango, you know.

Let me explain it to you then. The opposition party never votes for the majority party’s candidate for speaker because they don’t support his policies.

I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.

But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?

It takes two to tango, you know.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.

I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.

We can’t save you from yourselves.

The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.

The fact Dems always vote as a block suggest a tyranny

Anonymous wrote:Would moderate GOP vote for this guy?

Dems dont’ remember history at all