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Anonymous wrote:UC Davis is very hot. I get that the DCUM crowd isn't aware, but it's a very good school.

Someone is apparently very triggered that their kid at Emory might get their finance jobs taken from Davis students.

Except that Davis students won't be swooping in to take internships from Emory students due to US News rankings changes. The ranking has gotten further and further from reflecting prestige in the employment world.

I thought that’s what the WSJ rankings attempted to capture. Not sure how either school did on that. I know Babson did well.

WSj was a fraudulent ranking exercise to make you click on it. It was based only on ROI. If you look at college as only a means to an end, i.e.., a trade school for stem then it’s worth what it is printed in.

I wouldn't call it fraudulent. All that really matters is Teaching Quality, First Year Experience, Student-Teacher Ratio, and ROI. The rest of it is just BS to appease certain special interests.

Anonymous wrote:The big flagship publics moved up because class size doesn’t count anymore and also because they tend to have more socioeconomic diversity. Great that they graduate more Pell Grant students, but that’s not really relevant to a kid who is full pay. What I really want to know about is academic quality.

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Anonymous wrote:"These rankings don't matter" crowd sounds similar to the Test optional crowd that secretly pays $500/hr to test prep their kids to move from 1200 to 1250 .

People, the only rankings that matter is US News and this is it for 2024!

With the biggest beneficiaries being the UCs, which are test blind.

+1. Zing to that annoying poster who won’t shut up about tutoring!

Does anyone really believe UCSB or Davis are T30?

The reality is that these lower UC schools are getting excellent students so maybe they really belong in T30.

And they educate them like cattle, and with the exception of UCLA, provide no housing.

Wait. UCLA has had serious housing issues. Google it

They did, but they built more.

Just this year! After screams from students and parents about obscene rents and no promise of guaranteed housing. It was a series in the LA Times! UCLA has been scrambling ever since

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Anonymous wrote:I think this makes sense. Schools like Florida and the UC schools do well at graduating kids of different means throughout their state. I've always thought some schools like Tulane and Northeastern to be overhyped and overpriced. My best friend's daughter goes to Case Western and all her into classes have a few hundred people in them. At that point. why go there over William & Mary, VT, or Maryland? I do wonder if some privates will have trouble with their yield now. And some of the drops are wild - most Washington University and Tufts grads I know are the kind of people to care about rankings so I'm sure the drop will be hard for them.

When all the privates drop in sync, it has very little meaning. People will just take US News less seriously, which is a good thing.

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I find it interesting that Lehigh moved up so apparently it’s not all privates dropping in sync. Also it’s not really “in sync”… By way of example, Tulane dropped a lot as did Elon and Wake Forest. NEU a few spots.

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Anonymous wrote:How does DCUM feel about Chicago being out of the top 10 in all major US rankings now (USNWR, WSJ, Forbes)? It has been a magnet for DC area students, especially from particular private schools where a number of kids were applying ED2.

Does it make applying ED2 to Hopkins looks a little better now?

Ranking changes do not change actual prestige. The tail does not wag the dog. US News is getting sillier and sillier.

USNEWS said it themselves in this article, which also outlines updates to methodology: https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/articles/2023-08-25/2024-best-colleges-rankings-coming-sept-18

Changes in methodology will induce changes in rank. There tend to be smaller changes in rank among those schools that typically place toward the very top or very bottom of the rankings. That's because their separation from most other schools insulates them somewhat from adjustments in methodological approach. In contrast, schools with data that resembles the breadth of other schools – which typically place toward the middle of the rankings, tied with several others – tend to incur changes that are larger in scale.

Bottom line, elite schools will remain in the top 20...they'll continue to shift around year to year, but they are typically reliably always ranked highly because they have the breadth of qualities needed to stay there.

Or is the arbitrary cutoff top 15 or 25 or 30?
There are not too many schools that are in even the top 25 of the recent USNWR, WSJ, and Forbes rankings this year.
Even Brown, Willams, Chicago, Notre Dame, CalTech, Pomona, and Hopkins wouldn't make it for all 3.
Not surprising that HYPSM are highly ranked in all 3. Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Georgetown, and USC also make the top 25 in all 3 rankings.
For LACs, only Amherst and Swarthmore are in the top 25 of all 3 (Forbes and WSJ rank LACs in with national universities).

There are not too many schools that rank consistently high regardless of methodology changes.

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Anonymous wrote:LAC rankings out as well. Service academies all rose, general moderate shuffling among the others but maybe no giant leaps or drops.

Actually I just noticed one – Soka dropped fairly far. That shows that US News is maybe valuing endowments less this time around.

Service academies should be excluded from these rankings IMO.

Anonymous wrote:Rutgers rose 15 slots to 40 from 55!

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Anonymous wrote:"These rankings don't matter" crowd sounds similar to the Test optional crowd that secretly pays $500/hr to test prep their kids to move from 1200 to 1250 .

People, the only rankings that matter is US News and this is it for 2024!

With the biggest beneficiaries being the UCs, which are test blind.

+1. Zing to that annoying poster who won’t shut up about tutoring!

Does anyone really believe UCSB or Davis are T30?

The reality is that these lower UC schools are getting excellent students so maybe they really belong in T30.

And they educate them like cattle, and with the exception of UCLA, provide no housing.

Wait. UCLA has had serious housing issues. Google it

They did, but they built more.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this makes sense. Schools like Florida and the UC schools do well at graduating kids of different means throughout their state. I've always thought some schools like Tulane and Northeastern to be overhyped and overpriced. My best friend's daughter goes to Case Western and all her into classes have a few hundred people in them. At that point. why go there over William & Mary, VT, or Maryland? I do wonder if some privates will have trouble with their yield now. And some of the drops are wild - most Washington University and Tufts grads I know are the kind of people to care about rankings so I'm sure the drop will be hard for them.

When all the privates drop in sync, it has very little meaning. People will just take US News less seriously, which is a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:LAC rankings out as well. Service academies all rose, general moderate shuffling among the others but maybe no giant leaps or drops.

Actually I just noticed one – Soka dropped fairly far. That shows that US News is maybe valuing endowments less this time around.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame remains in top 20 despite the constant chatter that they will be knocked down lol.

It will as the swell to get of legacy admissions continues.

LOL just like every other elite top 20. It's not going anywhere below where it is. It hasn't for decades. I know that triggers you lol.

It literally dropped 2 spots to 20, it can easily drop another next year.

I can see ND falling out of the top 20 next year.

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Anonymous wrote:How does DCUM feel about Chicago being out of the top 10 in all major US rankings now (USNWR, WSJ, Forbes)? It has been a magnet for DC area students, especially from particular private schools where a number of kids were applying ED2.

Does it make applying ED2 to Hopkins looks a little better now?

Ranking changes do not change actual prestige. The tail does not wag the dog. US News is getting sillier and sillier.

USNEWS said it themselves in this article, which also outlines updates to methodology: https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/articles/2023-08-25/2024-best-colleges-rankings-coming-sept-18

Changes in methodology will induce changes in rank. There tend to be smaller changes in rank among those schools that typically place toward the very top or very bottom of the rankings. That's because their separation from most other schools insulates them somewhat from adjustments in methodological approach. In contrast, schools with data that resembles the breadth of other schools – which typically place toward the middle of the rankings, tied with several others – tend to incur changes that are larger in scale.

Bottom line, elite schools will remain in the top 20...they'll continue to shift around year to year, but they are typically reliably always ranked highly because they have the breadth of qualities needed to stay there.