Anonymous
08/01/2023 13:34
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
No that environment was there when they were winning. The US girls/women youth nationals teams have not been competitive for many years.
The reason the US women’s team was dominated for so long was title 9 and the rest of the world did not care. That it. Now things have changed in Europe. The European are taking an interest. The women’s championship league and Euros draws crowds and gets rating. The money is quickly increasing but the tactics, technical skill/trainings, coaching, facilities, etc is so much better.
NWSL needs to get teams in to the Women’s Championship league.
NWSL couldn't even afford the airfare to play in Europe
Not to mention that is a UEFA competition.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 13:30
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Y'all know better than Carli Lloyd.
Keeping beating the same drum and pointing fingers tho
Keeping beating the same drum and pointing fingers tho
Anonymous
08/01/2023 13:28
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
Is it toxic though? US Soccer is many things inept, short sighted, insecure but toxic? I don't know, I support everything the USWNT did to force and litigate US Soccer to pay up equitably but we are past that and not sure a toxic environment would have yielded to that in either case. US women players need to take some responsibility with the effort and lack of passion, but the federation is ultimately where the buck stops, and from many reports business is good $$$$$, so nothing is going to change folks.
I could see it becoming toxic if senior team leaders ostracize you if you do not fall in alignment with their politics and very public agendas.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 13:23
Subject: Women’s World Cup
My 2 cents...
Vlatko Andonovski is the #1 problem. He does not seem to be a coach of discipline and he doesn't seem like much of motivator either. This on top of his poor game decisions.
The 2nd problem is player egos. Whether it's Pinoe not focused on the task but she has not played much either but who does play a lot is Alex Morgan who shares the same activist mentallity as Pinoe. Sophia Smith is probably the most selfish player I have ever seen on the USWNT which always leads to destroying more chances than she creates. Shame too, she could be the all time greatest if she played selfless. Rodman looks like she is on an island and angry.
3rd - No leadership or Alpha females. I can only imagine what the off field culture is like. Many different political backgrounds on the team but nobody to tell everyone to STFU, put your differences aside, and focus at the task at hand.
None of this has anything to do with youth soccer. Boys or girls, smh.
The USMNT made it out of group play which should be the standard. We've never won a World Cup and men have many sports to choose to play in our country. If soccer was the main sport, Justin Jefferson would be in goal, Tyreek Hill up top, and pick any 4 top forwards in the NBA on defense.
The woman on the other hand, egos are the problem, nothing to do with skill. If mentallity is a "development" than that could be discussed. If anything, USYS are picking size and speed over IQ. Japan is not a big team and are excelling in on field IQ along with agility.
Vlatko Andonovski is the #1 problem. He does not seem to be a coach of discipline and he doesn't seem like much of motivator either. This on top of his poor game decisions.
The 2nd problem is player egos. Whether it's Pinoe not focused on the task but she has not played much either but who does play a lot is Alex Morgan who shares the same activist mentallity as Pinoe. Sophia Smith is probably the most selfish player I have ever seen on the USWNT which always leads to destroying more chances than she creates. Shame too, she could be the all time greatest if she played selfless. Rodman looks like she is on an island and angry.
3rd - No leadership or Alpha females. I can only imagine what the off field culture is like. Many different political backgrounds on the team but nobody to tell everyone to STFU, put your differences aside, and focus at the task at hand.
None of this has anything to do with youth soccer. Boys or girls, smh.
The USMNT made it out of group play which should be the standard. We've never won a World Cup and men have many sports to choose to play in our country. If soccer was the main sport, Justin Jefferson would be in goal, Tyreek Hill up top, and pick any 4 top forwards in the NBA on defense.
The woman on the other hand, egos are the problem, nothing to do with skill. If mentallity is a "development" than that could be discussed. If anything, USYS are picking size and speed over IQ. Japan is not a big team and are excelling in on field IQ along with agility.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 13:16
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
Thats where a competent federation would jump in a pay for something like this
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
No that environment was there when they were winning. The US girls/women youth nationals teams have not been competitive for many years.
The reason the US women’s team was dominated for so long was title 9 and the rest of the world did not care. That it. Now things have changed in Europe. The European are taking an interest. The women’s championship league and Euros draws crowds and gets rating. The money is quickly increasing but the tactics, technical skill/trainings, coaching, facilities, etc is so much better.
NWSL needs to get teams in to the Women’s Championship league.
NWSL couldn't even afford the airfare to play in Europe
Anonymous
08/01/2023 13:04
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
No that environment was there when they were winning. The US girls/women youth nationals teams have not been competitive for many years.
The reason the US women’s team was dominated for so long was title 9 and the rest of the world did not care. That it. Now things have changed in Europe. The European are taking an interest. The women’s championship league and Euros draws crowds and gets rating. The money is quickly increasing but the tactics, technical skill/trainings, coaching, facilities, etc is so much better.
NWSL needs to get teams in to the Women’s Championship league.
NWSL couldn't even afford the airfare to play in Europe
Anonymous
08/01/2023 13:03
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Blame everyone and everything but the team and their leadership.
Sometimes - maybe - its just them
Yes players win games. I think if you took this team back to 2015 and 2019 they would win. The competition was just not there. There were two or three teams who could win and one was always the US. The others countries have gotten a lot better and it is not leveling off.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:59
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
Is it toxic though? US Soccer is many things inept, short sighted, insecure but toxic? I don't know, I support everything the USWNT did to force and litigate US Soccer to pay up equitably but we are past that and not sure a toxic environment would have yielded to that in either case. US women players need to take some responsibility with the effort and lack of passion, but the federation is ultimately where the buck stops, and from many reports business is good $$$$$, so nothing is going to change folks.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:59
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
No that environment was there when they were winning. The US girls/women youth nationals teams have not been competitive for many years.
The reason the US women’s team was dominated for so long was title 9 and the rest of the world did not care. That it. Now things have changed in Europe. The European are taking an interest. The women’s championship league and Euros draws crowds and gets rating. The money is quickly increasing but the tactics, technical skill/trainings, coaching, facilities, etc is so much better.
NWSL needs to get teams in to the Women’s Championship league.
+1
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:58
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
No that environment was there when they were winning. The US girls/women youth nationals teams have not been competitive for many years.
The reason the US women’s team was dominated for so long was title 9 and the rest of the world did not care. That it. Now things have changed in Europe. The European are taking an interest. The women’s championship league and Euros draws crowds and gets rating. The money is quickly increasing but the tactics, technical skill/trainings, coaching, facilities, etc is so much better.
NWSL needs to get teams in to the Women’s Championship league.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:35
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Perhaps - just maybe - no amount of individual talent can overcome a toxic work environment.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:27
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Blame everyone and everything but the team and their leadership.
Sometimes - maybe - its just them
Sometimes - maybe - its just them
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:22
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That was disappointing. They really can’t make passes, create plays, win 1 v 1. I really hope this is a wake up call for youth soccer development in general. What uninspiring play.
Why would it be? Do you expect clubs to care when even top clubs may send a player to the USWNT once a generation? Should BSC alter the way it approaches everything on the off chance that one day a girl destined for the national team will so up for u9 tryouts?
Yep. Nothing will change. You would have to select different types of players at u9, the system would have to admit they are on the wrong developmental path, have different type of coaches and move away from college soccer. Too much money, too many people heavily vested in the status quo and parents want that college access. It will be the same thing in 2027.
There are 38k women playing college soccer and 23 playing for the USWNT. Youth soccer focusing on college, is the right choice
If US girls youth soccer focuses on college, it will end up like US boys soccer is now: very limited D1 options for US boys because international players are being brought in to carry the lion’s share of programs.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:18
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many reasons for the poor performance. None of which has to do with youth soccer.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
Didn't make OP but I agree youth soccer is the problem, specfically pay to play soccer with ECNL/GA. You're arguing numbers, I'm questioning mentality. US should be amazing at everything because of our size and financial investment into sports. Pay to play creates individualistic selfish players, who don't utilize their teammates, don't make selfless runs to open up channels for others, don't press as a team, and are only concerned with that Div. 1 soccer opportunity that paying to play in ECNL/GA affords them. This system works for 90% of families, so its not changing. That 10% are disgruntled delusional parents who think their kid is better than they are, and the truly elite players who may be happy in the moment, but realize their soccer education ended after U-18 soccer when they go to college because they trusted their soccer education to US soccer moving forward, which has continually demonstrated that it cant be trusted to navigate any of this correctly
Youth sports is a big business because of pay to play. The national teams are investing relative drops in the bucket into youth sports and US Soccer doesn't have the resources to set up their own system. US professional clubs have no interest in doing and and don't have the money even if they did.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 12:11
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many reasons for the poor performance. None of which has to do with youth soccer.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
Didn't make OP but I agree youth soccer is the problem, specfically pay to play soccer with ECNL/GA. You're arguing numbers, I'm questioning mentality. US should be amazing at everything because of our size and financial investment into sports. Pay to play creates individualistic selfish players, who don't utilize their teammates, don't make selfless runs to open up channels for others, don't press as a team, and are only concerned with that Div. 1 soccer opportunity that paying to play in ECNL/GA affords them. This system works for 90% of families, so its not changing. That 10% are disgruntled delusional parents who think their kid is better than they are, and the truly elite players who may be happy in the moment, but realize their soccer education ended after U-18 soccer when they go to college because they trusted their soccer education to US soccer moving forward, which has continually demonstrated that it cant be trusted to navigate any of this correctly
I think this sums it up. College is the endgame for many youth players and the best way to get there is pay to play. Like that Yahoo article stated US Soccer has no way to truly find the best players out there, let alone train them. If you asked parents or players what the process was to be identified or to get the opportunity to be identified for a YNT most would not know and US Soccer seems to be fine with how it currently is