Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
I find this humorous, too.
Acknowledging there is a problem isn’t a “tantrum.” I have had classes over 30, so I’d love to know where this 1:20 is actually occurring.
You are justifying bad teaching and somehow equating working 20 hours to grade after school as being equal to a teacher who doesn’t grade at all. It’s an irrelevant rant to compare yourself to this teacher who doesn’t grade.
This post is filled with trolls. Or, as I suspect, just one replying to 90% of the posts.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Your kid’s teacher is lazy and that’s unfortunate. Grading truly sucks and grading writing is time consuming and to provide feedback even more so. That being said, it’s part of the job so unacceptable not to do it. Unfortunately, many of the district policies have created a sense of “why try” among kids and staff. Staff know the kids have to pass no matter what, so do the kids. The result is this sense of “I can give hours and hours to grading and doing work or just pass them all anyway.” And on the kids end it looks like “they’re going to have to pass me anyway so why do the work.” We have a LOT of bad policies that have completely demotivated all stakeholders because the districts just want to cook their data. It sucks.
That is absolute BS. I don’t teach HS anymore but when I did, I worked 60/70 hour weeks. I was NOT lazy. But sometimes I didn’t have an extra 10 hours in the week to grade a set of written responses. The teacher is not (necessarily) lazy. It’s an impossible workload. And frankly, VERY few students pay any attention to feedback in their writing. If I have to prioritize, I focus on planning engaging lessons and activities, but marking up writing that most students don’t care about.
It’s not BS. I do teach HS, and I teach writing. Having NO grades is unacceptable, as much as I hate grading too: you have to have grades. There are ways to reduce the time it takes to give feedback: chunk the writing, only give feedback for one specific element of the writing, do group revisions, etc, but you have to find a way to do it somehow and provide grades. I am not saying grade on the weekends (I don’t.) I’m saying no teacher should accept that having no grades in the gradebook is ok. If a teacher is teaching AP, they agreed to teach a higher level course that is writing heavy and dependent on preparing kids for a writing test. You need to be willing to do that if you CHOOSE to take on an AP course.
I try to manage my time by grading the kids’ writing and then offering the ones who want feedback to schedule a writing conference with me. This way I can truly focus on providing individual feedback to the kids who really want it and will use it instead of spending 10 hours giving it to everyone when all but maybe 5 will never even look at it or use it. So everyone gets a grade, the ones who truly want detailed feedback get it, and my time is spent in more effective ways.
Thank you for a reasonable explanation of how to handle a classroom and grade and being a reasonable teacher. No one wants teachers overloaded but at the same time don’t want to hear about them justifying not doing their job and being told to suck it up. Your ideas sound great and are what I’ve seen reasonable teachers implement. Keep up the great work and thank you for teaching students without taking out frustrations on children or parents. Will continue to advocate for reasonable work and class sizes for teachers that include grading.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Your kid’s teacher is lazy and that’s unfortunate. Grading truly sucks and grading writing is time consuming and to provide feedback even more so. That being said, it’s part of the job so unacceptable not to do it. Unfortunately, many of the district policies have created a sense of “why try” among kids and staff. Staff know the kids have to pass no matter what, so do the kids. The result is this sense of “I can give hours and hours to grading and doing work or just pass them all anyway.” And on the kids end it looks like “they’re going to have to pass me anyway so why do the work.” We have a LOT of bad policies that have completely demotivated all stakeholders because the districts just want to cook their data. It sucks.
That is absolute BS. I don’t teach HS anymore but when I did, I worked 60/70 hour weeks. I was NOT lazy. But sometimes I didn’t have an extra 10 hours in the week to grade a set of written responses. The teacher is not (necessarily) lazy. It’s an impossible workload. And frankly, VERY few students pay any attention to feedback in their writing. If I have to prioritize, I focus on planning engaging lessons and activities, but marking up writing that most students don’t care about.
It’s not BS. I do teach HS, and I teach writing. Having NO grades is unacceptable, as much as I hate grading too: you have to have grades. There are ways to reduce the time it takes to give feedback: chunk the writing, only give feedback for one specific element of the writing, do group revisions, etc, but you have to find a way to do it somehow and provide grades. I am not saying grade on the weekends (I don’t.) I’m saying no teacher should accept that having no grades in the gradebook is ok. If a teacher is teaching AP, they agreed to teach a higher level course that is writing heavy and dependent on preparing kids for a writing test. You need to be willing to do that if you CHOOSE to take on an AP course.
I try to manage my time by grading the kids’ writing and then offering the ones who want feedback to schedule a writing conference with me. This way I can truly focus on providing individual feedback to the kids who really want it and will use it instead of spending 10 hours giving it to everyone when all but maybe 5 will never even look at it or use it. So everyone gets a grade, the ones who truly want detailed feedback get it, and my time is spent in more effective ways.
Thank you for this response. Reasonable teachers do exist.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Your kid’s teacher is lazy and that’s unfortunate. Grading truly sucks and grading writing is time consuming and to provide feedback even more so. That being said, it’s part of the job so unacceptable not to do it. Unfortunately, many of the district policies have created a sense of “why try” among kids and staff. Staff know the kids have to pass no matter what, so do the kids. The result is this sense of “I can give hours and hours to grading and doing work or just pass them all anyway.” And on the kids end it looks like “they’re going to have to pass me anyway so why do the work.” We have a LOT of bad policies that have completely demotivated all stakeholders because the districts just want to cook their data. It sucks.
That is absolute BS. I don’t teach HS anymore but when I did, I worked 60/70 hour weeks. I was NOT lazy. But sometimes I didn’t have an extra 10 hours in the week to grade a set of written responses. The teacher is not (necessarily) lazy. It’s an impossible workload. And frankly, VERY few students pay any attention to feedback in their writing. If I have to prioritize, I focus on planning engaging lessons and activities, but marking up writing that most students don’t care about.
It’s not BS. I do teach HS, and I teach writing. Having NO grades is unacceptable, as much as I hate grading too: you have to have grades. There are ways to reduce the time it takes to give feedback: chunk the writing, only give feedback for one specific element of the writing, do group revisions, etc, but you have to find a way to do it somehow and provide grades. I am not saying grade on the weekends (I don’t.) I’m saying no teacher should accept that having no grades in the gradebook is ok. If a teacher is teaching AP, they agreed to teach a higher level course that is writing heavy and dependent on preparing kids for a writing test. You need to be willing to do that if you CHOOSE to take on an AP course.
I try to manage my time by grading the kids’ writing and then offering the ones who want feedback to schedule a writing conference with me. This way I can truly focus on providing individual feedback to the kids who really want it and will use it instead of spending 10 hours giving it to everyone when all but maybe 5 will never even look at it or use it. So everyone gets a grade, the ones who truly want detailed feedback get it, and my time is spent in more effective ways.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
I find this humorous, too.
Acknowledging there is a problem isn’t a “tantrum.” I have had classes over 30, so I’d love to know where this 1:20 is actually occurring.
You are justifying bad teaching and somehow equating working 20 hours to grade after school as being equal to a teacher who doesn’t grade at all. It’s an irrelevant rant to compare yourself to this teacher who doesn’t grade.
Provide text support. Find one line that justifies bad teaching. Just one.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
I find this humorous, too.
Acknowledging there is a problem isn’t a “tantrum.” I have had classes over 30, so I’d love to know where this 1:20 is actually occurring.
You are justifying bad teaching and somehow equating working 20 hours to grade after school as being equal to a teacher who doesn’t grade at all. It’s an irrelevant rant to compare yourself to this teacher who doesn’t grade.
Provide text support. Find one line that justifies bad teaching. Just one.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
I find this humorous, too.
Acknowledging there is a problem isn’t a “tantrum.” I have had classes over 30, so I’d love to know where this 1:20 is actually occurring.
You are justifying bad teaching and somehow equating working 20 hours to grade after school as being equal to a teacher who doesn’t grade at all. It’s an irrelevant rant to compare yourself to this teacher who doesn’t grade.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
I find this humorous, too.
Acknowledging there is a problem isn’t a “tantrum.” I have had classes over 30, so I’d love to know where this 1:20 is actually occurring.
You are justifying bad teaching and somehow equating working 20 hours to grade after school as being equal to a teacher who doesn’t grade at all. It’s an irrelevant rant to compare yourself to this teacher who doesn’t grade.
Anonymous wrote:So this teacher is not following policy got it. Please keep the trauma grading stories to yourself. This teacher is doing none of it. Stop projecting your life onto hers as if you are one and the same and you will find more peace.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
I find this humorous, too.
Acknowledging there is a problem isn’t a “tantrum.” I have had classes over 30, so I’d love to know where this 1:20 is actually occurring.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Your kid’s teacher is lazy and that’s unfortunate. Grading truly sucks and grading writing is time consuming and to provide feedback even more so. That being said, it’s part of the job so unacceptable not to do it. Unfortunately, many of the district policies have created a sense of “why try” among kids and staff. Staff know the kids have to pass no matter what, so do the kids. The result is this sense of “I can give hours and hours to grading and doing work or just pass them all anyway.” And on the kids end it looks like “they’re going to have to pass me anyway so why do the work.” We have a LOT of bad policies that have completely demotivated all stakeholders because the districts just want to cook their data. It sucks.
That is absolute BS. I don’t teach HS anymore but when I did, I worked 60/70 hour weeks. I was NOT lazy. But sometimes I didn’t have an extra 10 hours in the week to grade a set of written responses. The teacher is not (necessarily) lazy. It’s an impossible workload. And frankly, VERY few students pay any attention to feedback in their writing. If I have to prioritize, I focus on planning engaging lessons and activities, but marking up writing that most students don’t care about.
It’s not BS. I do teach HS, and I teach writing. Having NO grades is unacceptable, as much as I hate grading too: you have to have grades. There are ways to reduce the time it takes to give feedback: chunk the writing, only give feedback for one specific element of the writing, do group revisions, etc, but you have to find a way to do it somehow and provide grades. I am not saying grade on the weekends (I don’t.) I’m saying no teacher should accept that having no grades in the gradebook is ok. If a teacher is teaching AP, they agreed to teach a higher level course that is writing heavy and dependent on preparing kids for a writing test. You need to be willing to do that if you CHOOSE to take on an AP course.
I try to manage my time by grading the kids’ writing and then offering the ones who want feedback to schedule a writing conference with me. This way I can truly focus on providing individual feedback to the kids who really want it and will use it instead of spending 10 hours giving it to everyone when all but maybe 5 will never even look at it or use it. So everyone gets a grade, the ones who truly want detailed feedback get it, and my time is spent in more effective ways.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol
Sorry, I have 32 students in my Dual Enrollment English class. There is no attempt to limit the classes to 20 kids per English class.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound like you hate it and I can’t imagine what you are like at work with kids and parents. Full of drama I guess. It’s weird that you harp on all this extra work you slave away at but then rationalize that somehow you will still be an excellent teacher if you drop grading and become teacher G or OPs child’s teacher. You may have the capacity but you won’t be an excellent teacher by doing that. It really isn’t an option at the high school level to not grade so you are just making unnecessary drama. You know OPs teacher is going against FCPS policy and not doing her job well but are throwing a tantrum about unrelated work to this discussion anyway to stir things up. You know you don’t have to do extra grading work because you have OPs teacher as an example of one that doesn’t grade and no repercussions. High schoolers need grades. Thank god for AP classes that have actual tests so teachers and school systems can’t just do whatever they want without getting national recognition through lowered scores.
If you are an English teacher, the state of Virginia actually limits those classes on average for the school to 1:20 because the grading is more intensive. If FCPS is not following that is on them.
Lol