Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:47
Subject: Re:Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Can you point me to where NPS said “cars were bad for the park”?
When it closed Beach Drive permanently.
Did they? Have a link or evidence?
I’d hate to believe that you’re just making this up.
So you think cars spewing carbon based exhaust into the park is ok?
Thank you for confirming that NPS never said “cars were bad for the park” as the rationale for the decision and that you made that up. I’m glad that you are big enough to admit your error.
Adding pollution is never good for the environment.
Increasing congestion increases pollution. Thanks for the talk.
There is already congestion and the park is already closed. At least the park is cleaner now than it was. And going forward it will continue to heal.
NPS found that continued closure led to increased degradation of habitat in the park due to pedestrian users making their own trails.
This is the salient point that's being ignored by all the people saying the park is now cleaner (HAHA! might as well just say you've never been on the trails) and this is an environmental decision. Cars on Upper Beach weren't destroying RCP. But during the lockdown NPS did a survey and found that pedestrians were, by tromping everywhere (leaving trash) and not sticking to the marked trails.
I don't drive to work, and never drive on Beach above Joyce. But it's telling that the people celebrating this as a win for Mother Earth are just making things up because they sound like they *should* be true.
That's a particularly dumb attempt at a point that an intelligent person should be embarrassed to repeat.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:44
Subject: Re:Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Can you point me to where NPS said “cars were bad for the park”?
When it closed Beach Drive permanently.
Did they? Have a link or evidence?
I’d hate to believe that you’re just making this up.
So you think cars spewing carbon based exhaust into the park is ok?
Thank you for confirming that NPS never said “cars were bad for the park” as the rationale for the decision and that you made that up. I’m glad that you are big enough to admit your error.
Adding pollution is never good for the environment.
Increasing congestion increases pollution. Thanks for the talk.
There is already congestion and the park is already closed. At least the park is cleaner now than it was. And going forward it will continue to heal.
NPS found that continued closure led to increased degradation of habitat in the park due to pedestrian users making their own trails.
This is the salient point that's being ignored by all the people saying the park is now cleaner (HAHA! might as well just say you've never been on the trails) and this is an environmental decision. Cars on Upper Beach weren't destroying RCP. But during the lockdown NPS did a survey and found that pedestrians were, by tromping everywhere (leaving trash) and not sticking to the marked trails.
I don't drive to work, and never drive on Beach above Joyce. But it's telling that the people celebrating this as a win for Mother Earth are just making things up because they sound like they *should* be true.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:43
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
How about you try that position out when you wake up in the morning and decide to drive your car when you have other viable options. Sure, there are times when a car is the only reasonable option, but that's not most trips. You are making things worse.
Everyone's lives would be better if people stopped riding bikes and just took the bus or subway. Bike lanes are a massive waste of transportation resources.
As you burn fossil fuels to move a few thousand pounds of metal around a city with limited space. OK bud, sure. Good job keeping an eye on the big picture.
You should learn a bit more about climate change. It doesnt matter if everyone in D.C. rides bikes. That's a rounding error when it comes to reducing carbon emissions. Riding a bike because you support the environment is purely a symbolic act. It makes no practical difference. That's like saying you're fighting climate change by recycling coke cans
Why just look at DC? Extend your argument to it's logical conclusion.
Across the US? Internationally? What if everyone in India and China started driving at the rates that we do here? Because if it's ok for you to drive then it's ok for them to drive also. And it's well more than a drop in the bucket when you look at transportation as an element of emissions.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:41
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
How about you try that position out when you wake up in the morning and decide to drive your car when you have other viable options. Sure, there are times when a car is the only reasonable option, but that's not most trips. You are making things worse.
Everyone's lives would be better if people stopped riding bikes and just took the bus or subway. Bike lanes are a massive waste of transportation resources.
As you burn fossil fuels to move a few thousand pounds of metal around a city with limited space. OK bud, sure. Good job keeping an eye on the big picture.
You should learn a bit more about climate change. It doesnt matter if everyone in D.C. rides bikes. That's a rounding error when it comes to reducing carbon emissions. Riding a bike because you support the environment is purely a symbolic act. It makes no practical difference. That's like saying you're fighting climate change by recycling coke cans
Doing one thing won't completely fix the problem. Did you come up with that genius logic on your own? Or did you get that from the oil lobby talking points.
Any other excuses why you won't take steps in the right direction?
It's not that it won't completely fix the problem. It's that it makes no difference whatsoever to the problem. The only thing it accomplishes is fooling people into thinking they're helping.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:39
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
How about you try that position out when you wake up in the morning and decide to drive your car when you have other viable options. Sure, there are times when a car is the only reasonable option, but that's not most trips. You are making things worse.
Everyone's lives would be better if people stopped riding bikes and just took the bus or subway. Bike lanes are a massive waste of transportation resources.
As you burn fossil fuels to move a few thousand pounds of metal around a city with limited space. OK bud, sure. Good job keeping an eye on the big picture.
You should learn a bit more about climate change. It doesnt matter if everyone in D.C. rides bikes. That's a rounding error when it comes to reducing carbon emissions. Riding a bike because you support the environment is purely a symbolic act. It makes no practical difference. That's like saying you're fighting climate change by recycling coke cans
Doing one thing won't completely fix the problem. Did you come up with that genius logic on your own? Or did you get that from the oil lobby talking points.
Any other excuses why you won't take steps in the right direction?
Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:37
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
How about you try that position out when you wake up in the morning and decide to drive your car when you have other viable options. Sure, there are times when a car is the only reasonable option, but that's not most trips. You are making things worse.
Everyone's lives would be better if people stopped riding bikes and just took the bus or subway. Bike lanes are a massive waste of transportation resources.
As you burn fossil fuels to move a few thousand pounds of metal around a city with limited space. OK bud, sure. Good job keeping an eye on the big picture.
You should learn a bit more about climate change. It doesnt matter if everyone in D.C. rides bikes. That's a rounding error when it comes to reducing carbon emissions. Riding a bike because you support the environment is purely a symbolic act. It makes no practical difference. That's like saying you're fighting climate change by recycling coke cans
Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:33
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
How about you try that position out when you wake up in the morning and decide to drive your car when you have other viable options. Sure, there are times when a car is the only reasonable option, but that's not most trips. You are making things worse.
Everyone's lives would be better if people stopped riding bikes and just took the bus or subway. Bike lanes are a massive waste of transportation resources.
As you burn fossil fuels to move a few thousand pounds of metal around a city with limited space. OK bud, sure. Good job keeping an eye on the big picture.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 11:23
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
How about you try that position out when you wake up in the morning and decide to drive your car when you have other viable options. Sure, there are times when a car is the only reasonable option, but that's not most trips. You are making things worse.
Everyone's lives would be better if people stopped riding bikes and just took the bus or subway. Bike lanes are a massive waste of transportation resources.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 10:45
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Look at what's happened to downtown.
Specifically?
Anonymous
11/08/2022 10:45
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
How about you try that position out when you wake up in the morning and decide to drive your car when you have other viable options. Sure, there are times when a car is the only reasonable option, but that's not most trips. You are making things worse.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 10:45
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Look at what's happened to downtown.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 10:44
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
Makes things worse for whom? For those who could not possibly bear the thought of finding an alternative to a single-occupant vehicle? In the short-term, yes. For everyone else, nope. There is actually very little evidence that the elimination of traffic lanes makes traffic worse. There have been plenty of instances where there was a downward shock to road capacity and, in those instances, congestion didn’t materialize.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 10:38
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Eliminating traffic lanes and reducing capacity makes things worse. The first rule.of transportation policy should be - don't make things worse. And for God's sake don't make things worse on purpose.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 10:22
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. Soc on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
People with cars won't take the bus
This is BS. I have a car, but I almost never take it downtown. Traffic sucks and parking is expensive. Instead, I ride metro, bus, or my bike. The only long-term solution to traffic is for people to stop regularly commuting by car.
Then we should be focusing on mass transit. Not single person niche fads. Reducing capacity does not solve the population growth problem it makes it worse.
Cars do not comprise a "single person niche fad." Are you really that dense or out of touch?
There's more than 300,000 cars in D.C. There's more cars than households. I don't understand why we're ruining traffic because a few hundred Bernie Bros are really into bikes.
Yeah, bikes are what caused traffic in the region. That's why 295 and 395 get backed up and the beltway is a hellhole. You might be huffing too much of your own fumes.
Anonymous
11/08/2022 10:00
Subject: Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious, how’s Oregon Ave NW? Packed?
It's not, and never is. This is just more NIMBY hysteria.
People don’t take Oregon Ave because you need to be familiar with DC. Most are commuting in and just take 16th. I hope that more folks discover Oregon and fill up the other side so 16th St becomes lighter.
Traffic on 16th won't become lighter. Volumes on 16th will progressively grow worse over time. So will traffic on Oregon, Blagden, and Broad Branch. Eventually, NPS will reverse this decision. It's only a matter of time.
Or we provide bus lanes to move a lot of people downtown during rush hour. There's just no way to build enough roads. We end up like LA and that's not a good idea. Also you still have traffic.
Washington D.C. is smaller than El Paso. We have plenty of room for cars.
What are you smoking?