Anonymous wrote:Although not totally clear, the bible strongly supports a conclusion that: (1) a husband who suspects his wife of infidelity can force her to take an abortifacient (the ordeal of bitter waters); and (2) if someone causes your wife to miscarry, it is not akin to murder, but rather something that should be subject to a civil lawsuit where the husband may be compensated for injury to his property.

I am not sure where the strong Christian objection to abortion even comes from.

It came from racism. Evangelicals didn’t like that the public schools were integrated so they started their own religious schools to keep their kids’ schools segregated. It started messing with their tax status, so they needed voters to elect people who’d let them keep the segregated religious schools and their tax exemptions, but it wasn’t an issue that drove people to the polls. They figured out that abortion would, so they changed their stance that it’s a private medical issue to it being an issue of murdering babies, and that’s how it took off. Eventually the school stuff sort of resolved, but the abortion issue stuck around. I believe it was billy graham who previously supported abortion as healthcare but changed his stance when conservatives needed him to, and I know it used to be seen as necessary healthcare in the Southern Baptist Convention’s doctrine. So like most political things conservatives do, it’s rooted in evil.

Hey wacko Bishops, look at me now

I'm not religious but I've always been pretty against elective abortion but from a science view. Can Christians help me: what is the biblical support for being against abortions? I've heard that there's nothing really specific in the Bible about abortion. Is that true?

Sorry am not reading all the replies but many of us Christians are staunchly pro choice and believe being pro life is far wider than a narrow stance on abortion that does not even factor in rape/ incest/ domestic violence/ whether pregnant women can afford to stay pregnant and feed existing children. Being pro life requires commitment to fighting poverty, creating opportunities for people to create decent lives for themselves and their families, stemming senseless gun violence and ending the barbaric death penalty.

However, I agree that all religious voices matter and would be interesting to hear more from Muslims, Jewish people, Hindus, Buddhists and native Americans about their religious beliefs around abortion.

Anonymous wrote:I am a practicing Catholic; I oppose abortion in most cases and I will not apologize for this.

You don't need to apologize. You can choose to avoid having an abortion if you would like.

What you don't have, at least until last Friday, is the right and ability to shove your religion and beliefs on to the rest of us, who do not share your religion and beliefs.

How about you mind your business and we will mind ours, as it had been for the last 50 years?

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

Your post is very troublesome because it uses religion to rationalize a nonreligious matter. Use reason and science and leave out your theology or dogma, please. But your support for women is appreciated.

Not PP, but here's the thing - abortion has become a religious matter in the US because the majority of SCOTUS judges who hold conservative Christian views have imposed their religiously-informed view of the beginning of human life on Americans who are not conservative Christians. So, yes, the viewpoints of Americans who are Muslim - and Jewish, and Buddhist, and Hindu, and atheist, and agnostic all matter.

Not in the eyes of Evangelicals, who want to cram their religion down the throats of the majority of Americans.

Anonymous wrote:I am a practicing Catholic; I oppose abortion in most cases and I will not apologize for this.

Nobody force you not to believe. Don't force your belief on us.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

Your post is very troublesome because it uses religion to rationalize a nonreligious matter. Use reason and science and leave out your theology or dogma, please. But your support for women is appreciated.

Not PP, but here's the thing - abortion has become a religious matter in the US because the majority of SCOTUS judges who hold conservative Christian views have imposed their religiously-informed view of the beginning of human life on Americans who are not conservative Christians. So, yes, the viewpoints of Americans who are Muslim - and Jewish, and Buddhist, and Hindu, and atheist, and agnostic all matter.

You are wrong. We don’t need to stoop to the theists level by bringing religion into the discussion, especially given the more extreme parts of all religions’ teachings. Every religion is different on ensoulment or whatever so it overly complicates the discussion. Just leave it out.

That attitude is just enabling ignorance or religious illiteracy. Christianity is now part of the discussion, full stop. If you don't bring in other religious perspectives, then you're not fighting fire with fire. You can bury your head in the sand, but that's not helping at all.

You are wrong. I could care less when PP said ensoulment occurs because it is not pertinent to the discussion. And if you didn’t notice, even PP said that abortion wasn’t permitted after 120 days, problematic in of itself. Allowances cannot be tolerated for every religious perspective because that’s not practical and unconstitutional. Let the religionists do what they will for their individual choice but it’s not up to anyone else to accept their religious dogma.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

Your post is very troublesome because it uses religion to rationalize a nonreligious matter. Use reason and science and leave out your theology or dogma, please. But your support for women is appreciated.

Not PP, but here's the thing - abortion has become a religious matter in the US because the majority of SCOTUS judges who hold conservative Christian views have imposed their religiously-informed view of the beginning of human life on Americans who are not conservative Christians. So, yes, the viewpoints of Americans who are Muslim - and Jewish, and Buddhist, and Hindu, and atheist, and agnostic all matter.

You are wrong. We don’t need to stoop to the theists level by bringing religion into the discussion, especially given the more extreme parts of all religions’ teachings. Every religion is different on ensoulment or whatever so it overly complicates the discussion. Just leave it out.

That attitude is just enabling ignorance or religious illiteracy. Christianity is now part of the discussion, full stop. If you don't bring in other religious perspectives, then you're not fighting fire with fire. You can bury your head in the sand, but that's not helping at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

Your post is very troublesome because it uses religion to rationalize a nonreligious matter. Use reason and science and leave out your theology or dogma, please. But your support for women is appreciated.

Not PP, but here's the thing - abortion has become a religious matter in the US because the majority of SCOTUS judges who hold conservative Christian views have imposed their religiously-informed view of the beginning of human life on Americans who are not conservative Christians. So, yes, the viewpoints of Americans who are Muslim - and Jewish, and Buddhist, and Hindu, and atheist, and agnostic all matter.

You are wrong. We don’t need to stoop to the theists level by bringing religion into the discussion, especially given the more extreme parts of all religions’ teachings. Every religion is different on ensoulment or whatever so it overly complicates the discussion. Just leave it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

Your post is very troublesome because it uses religion to rationalize a nonreligious matter. Use reason and science and leave out your theology or dogma, please. But your support for women is appreciated.

Pretending like abortion hasn't been hijacked by religious extremists is like pretending that it hasn't become politicized issue.

Believe you me, I wish that weren't the case. As mentioned, I am not practicing and not religious in my adult life. But reason and science are often not compatible with religion, so it is still important to try and understand things from that perspective. Doesn't mean we have to support it by any means, but understanding perspective is the only way we can further people to progress in their mindset.

Although not totally clear, the bible strongly supports a conclusion that: (1) a husband who suspects his wife of infidelity can force her to take an abortifacient (the ordeal of bitter waters); and (2) if someone causes your wife to miscarry, it is not akin to murder, but rather something that should be subject to a civil lawsuit where the husband may be compensated for injury to his property.

I am not sure where the strong Christian objection to abortion even comes from.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

Your post is very troublesome because it uses religion to rationalize a nonreligious matter. Use reason and science and leave out your theology or dogma, please. But your support for women is appreciated.

Not PP, but here's the thing - abortion has become a religious matter in the US because the majority of SCOTUS judges who hold conservative Christian views have imposed their religiously-informed view of the beginning of human life on Americans who are not conservative Christians. So, yes, the viewpoints of Americans who are Muslim - and Jewish, and Buddhist, and Hindu, and atheist, and agnostic all matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

Your post is very troublesome because it uses religion to rationalize a nonreligious matter. Use reason and science and leave out your theology or dogma, please. But your support for women is appreciated.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

This.

Catholic extremists and Christian extremists tend to have the most restrictive beliefs on abortion. Yes, there are some conservative Muslims who will always consider abortion a sin. But it is pretty universally believed that a soul is not "breathed" into a fetus until 120 days, and the time before that has MUCH more wiggle room regarding termination. Islam also supports abortion at any point, if the pregnancy endangers the mother's health and life.

This SCOTUS decision is outrageous lawfully and ethically, to anyone I know who was raised (or is still practicing) Muslim. I am not practicing, but I was brought up in a faithful family. There were never any strong ideas presented regarding abortion. It was always assumed to be 1000% acceptable for rape, incest, and danger to the mother, and with discretion at other times. Essentially, it was between at woman and God.

But behind closed doors, they get abortions, they use birth control and everything else that they say they don't want anyone else to have. Complete frauds and hypocrites.