Anonymous
Post 04/21/2022 09:44     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My wife isn't cool with getting rid of weekly house cleaning so we can pay for preschool. She has a part-time job on the weekends as a concierge. She's been a stay-at-home mom since our oldest was born. I am on board with her working or not working. Our first child was invited to public preschool because he was in an early intervention program. The second child's preschool won't be free. He goes to the YMCA at least four times a week for two hours a day, and they swim for another hour. My wife thinks gym childcare can provide a preschool experience.


OP here. We can afford both. I feel that weekly housekeeping is excessive. My wife doesn't want our child in preschool because she has trust issues. She would be okay with our child going to a public PreK, but that's not an option where we live. She feels the YMCA is the next best thing to regular preschool. I wasn't aware of any of this until today. She wants to hold onto him a while longer. She's terrified of school shootings. I suggested getting rid of a weekly housekeeper because I don't feel like we need it every week. My wife is OCD. The private preschool I have looked at is Montessori, and they are expensive.


Jeez. If you communicate with your wife the way you communicate here, you need to majorly up your game. Nothing about your initial framing is true!

So - first of all, these are now totally and completely different things. Stop talking about them in the same breath!

Second of all, if you can afford it, of course have the cleaners come weekly. Sheesh. It's important to your wife, she's the one home, not you, and she's the one who would pick up the slack, and not you. It's not "excessive" - weekly cleaning (whether outsourced or done by the people who live there) is pretty standard.

Third, is your wife being treated for the OCD? How is that going? THAT needs to be your focus - your wife's mental health. That's miles above whether/what preschool for your kid. Is she getting the support she needs? How is she doing? Is it worsening or getting better? What does her therapist say about the preschool thing? This is where your focus needs to be.

Fourth - on preschool - I still think you're missing something - why is public pre-K safe from school shooting but not private? Why is her ranking public pre-K > YMCA > private Montessori? How many hours is the Montessori school? How old is your kid? Is there a compromise to be had - like, no pre-k 3 but then for PK4 he goes to a part time program of your wife's choosing? You still need to do a LOT of listening and talking to even figure out where she's coming from because what you're saying doesn't make sense. When she says "trust issues" - what is she afraid of?

Finally - back to the communication. Get better at it. Seriously. You need to learn to listen.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2022 09:19     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:I think both spouses should pitch in for housework, if you can’t then hire help to pitch in for you.


In some households, one earns for the family and other runs the family. In some, both share earning and running parts. Do what works for you.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2022 09:16     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

I think both spouses should pitch in for housework, if you can’t then hire help to pitch in for you.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2022 09:06     Subject: Re:Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

You DO NOT play/read/engage with your child for a solid 8 hours per day.


I absolutely do, she’s awake from 6:30-8 and only naps for two hours.

But even if I didn’t, that wouldn’t mean the next best use of my time would be housework. When she naps I exercise and read. Both my physical and intellectual health are more important than my washing a floor. After she goes to bed my husband and I spend time together— our relationship health is much more important than my folding towels.

Our house is clean and hygienic because we have a housekeeper. My home is healthy and loving because we don’t care whether the clothes are ironed by the same person who reads to the toddler.


You aren't telling the truth.

For as progressive as women are supposed to be now, listening to a bunch of women that do not hold a job outside of caring for their own child inside their own home say they incapable of doing simple adult/home owner tasks at the same time is just sad. When/If you ever worked an office job you are expected to multiple different work tasks during the day including keeping your workspace tidy. How is this not a reasonable expectation in your own home? You are also saying that the WOHP contribute to childcare and housework when they are not working otherwise they aren't pulling their weight in the relationship? How do the women that provide childcare in their home for others handle making sure the house and clean and tidy during the day? Isn't there some expectation that a hired nanny provide some sort of cleaning after the child? You just seem annoying and whinny about being expected to contribute to your household besides watching your own child.


DP. For me, it’s not that housework is hard. When I was single I did it just fine, even enjoyed my Sunday mornings spent deep cleaning everything.

The hard part is having an ungrateful H and kids who think I’m the house servant. Don’t worry about putting your dishes in the washer, W will do it! Leave the toys everywhere, mom will pick them up! The best is when I’m busting my butt making dinner and cleaning up, while everyone else sits on their butts watching screens. THAT’S what sucks. Or when H’s running commentary on how dirty the floors are without ever actually getting the vacuum out himself.

The total lack of respect and unwillingness to help it what kills your soul. Not the cleaning itself.

For the workplace analogy, it’s like having coworkers who leave their dirty mugs and silverware everywhere, never clean their old stuff out of the fridge, start using your wastebasket instead of emptying their own when it’s full, tracking muddy footprints all over the floor and figuring someone else will clean it up.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2022 08:47     Subject: Re:Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

OP, with all of the details that you have provided (its not about money, OCD/anxiety, she's a preschool teacher), anything that has been said previously is useless.

I think your focus should be on getting you wife the help she needs with her OCD. It sounds like that's the root of a lot of your problems. I am terrified of school shootings too but I still send my kids to school. I don't understand how that fear goes away when she sends him to public school vs. Montessori. I felt much safer when my younger was in Montessori than my older in public school.

The one thing I do agree with is that weekly housekeeping is excessive. But I don't have little kids anymore nor pets so my perspective is skewed. YMMV.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2022 08:01     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Unless you can help out with cleaning or childcare, it’s not your decision to make. Let her Handel how she wants to handle responsibilities she needs to shoulder.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 23:03     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My wife isn't cool with getting rid of weekly house cleaning so we can pay for preschool. She has a part-time job on the weekends as a concierge. She's been a stay-at-home mom since our oldest was born. I am on board with her working or not working. Our first child was invited to public preschool because he was in an early intervention program. The second child's preschool won't be free. He goes to the YMCA at least four times a week for two hours a day, and they swim for another hour. My wife thinks gym childcare can provide a preschool experience.


OP here. We can afford both. I feel that weekly housekeeping is excessive. My wife doesn't want our child in preschool because she has trust issues. She would be okay with our child going to a public PreK, but that's not an option where we live. She feels the YMCA is the next best thing to regular preschool. I wasn't aware of any of this until today. She wants to hold onto him a while longer. She's terrified of school shootings. I suggested getting rid of a weekly housekeeper because I don't feel like we need it every week. My wife is OCD. The private preschool I have looked at is Montessori, and they are expensive.


So are you going to pick up the extra housekeeping on the weeks the cleaners don’t come, or is that beneath you and therefore something your wife should take care of?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 22:57     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My wife isn't cool with getting rid of weekly house cleaning so we can pay for preschool. She has a part-time job on the weekends as a concierge. She's been a stay-at-home mom since our oldest was born. I am on board with her working or not working. Our first child was invited to public preschool because he was in an early intervention program. The second child's preschool won't be free. He goes to the YMCA at least four times a week for two hours a day, and they swim for another hour. My wife thinks gym childcare can provide a preschool experience.


OP here. We can afford both. I feel that weekly housekeeping is excessive. My wife doesn't want our child in preschool because she has trust issues. She would be okay with our child going to a public PreK, but that's not an option where we live. She feels the YMCA is the next best thing to regular preschool. I wasn't aware of any of this until today. She wants to hold onto him a while longer. She's terrified of school shootings. I suggested getting rid of a weekly housekeeper because I don't feel like we need it every week. My wife is OCD. The private preschool I have looked at is Montessori, and they are expensive.


This is very different from your initial framing. What is the real issue? Money, your expectations for your wife, her OCD/over-protectiveness, something else?[/quote

I want him to attend Montessori, but she wants to home-school him for preschool. She is trained in the Montessori method. She believes that she would better teach him preschool academics than any school could offer. She doesn't want to teach him after preschool. We're not a homeschooling family. Our son is approaching four, but he has a late birthday. He'll be almost six when he's allowed to begin public kindergarten.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 21:58     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

OP, let it go.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 21:50     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My wife isn't cool with getting rid of weekly house cleaning so we can pay for preschool. She has a part-time job on the weekends as a concierge. She's been a stay-at-home mom since our oldest was born. I am on board with her working or not working. Our first child was invited to public preschool because he was in an early intervention program. The second child's preschool won't be free. He goes to the YMCA at least four times a week for two hours a day, and they swim for another hour. My wife thinks gym childcare can provide a preschool experience.


OP here. We can afford both. I feel that weekly housekeeping is excessive. My wife doesn't want our child in preschool because she has trust issues. She would be okay with our child going to a public PreK, but that's not an option where we live. She feels the YMCA is the next best thing to regular preschool. I wasn't aware of any of this until today. She wants to hold onto him a while longer. She's terrified of school shootings. I suggested getting rid of a weekly housekeeper because I don't feel like we need it every week. My wife is OCD. The private preschool I have looked at is Montessori, and they are expensive.


This is very different from your initial framing. What is the real issue? Money, your expectations for your wife, her OCD/over-protectiveness, something else?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 21:44     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My wife isn't cool with getting rid of weekly house cleaning so we can pay for preschool. She has a part-time job on the weekends as a concierge. She's been a stay-at-home mom since our oldest was born. I am on board with her working or not working. Our first child was invited to public preschool because he was in an early intervention program. The second child's preschool won't be free. He goes to the YMCA at least four times a week for two hours a day, and they swim for another hour. My wife thinks gym childcare can provide a preschool experience.


OP here. We can afford both. I feel that weekly housekeeping is excessive. My wife doesn't want our child in preschool because she has trust issues. She would be okay with our child going to a public PreK, but that's not an option where we live. She feels the YMCA is the next best thing to regular preschool. I wasn't aware of any of this until today. She wants to hold onto him a while longer. She's terrified of school shootings. I suggested getting rid of a weekly housekeeper because I don't feel like we need it every week. My wife is OCD. The private preschool I have looked at is Montessori, and they are expensive.


You need to keep your story straight.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 21:40     Subject: Re:Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:Ok OP, with this update then a reasonable compromise might look like:
- lower housekeeping to visit-weekly
- keep child in ymca program for now. Maybe commit to 1 year and reevaluate then.
- if wife is truly OCF and has trust issues this is an emotional issue that she needs support around. Suggest therapy or something so she can get help on this.

Framing this has “housekeeping over preschool” is not accurate though and is a disservice to your relationship and finding mutual ground and a way forward.


*bi-weekly (not sure what autocorrect did there)
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 21:39     Subject: Re:Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Ok OP, with this update then a reasonable compromise might look like:
- lower housekeeping to visit-weekly
- keep child in ymca program for now. Maybe commit to 1 year and reevaluate then.
- if wife is truly OCF and has trust issues this is an emotional issue that she needs support around. Suggest therapy or something so she can get help on this.

Framing this has “housekeeping over preschool” is not accurate though and is a disservice to your relationship and finding mutual ground and a way forward.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 21:35     Subject: Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My wife isn't cool with getting rid of weekly house cleaning so we can pay for preschool. She has a part-time job on the weekends as a concierge. She's been a stay-at-home mom since our oldest was born. I am on board with her working or not working. Our first child was invited to public preschool because he was in an early intervention program. The second child's preschool won't be free. He goes to the YMCA at least four times a week for two hours a day, and they swim for another hour. My wife thinks gym childcare can provide a preschool experience.


OP here. We can afford both. I feel that weekly housekeeping is excessive. My wife doesn't want our child in preschool because she has trust issues. She would be okay with our child going to a public PreK, but that's not an option where we live. She feels the YMCA is the next best thing to regular preschool. I wasn't aware of any of this until today. She wants to hold onto him a while longer. She's terrified of school shootings. I suggested getting rid of a weekly housekeeper because I don't feel like we need it every week. My wife is OCD. The private preschool I have looked at is Montessori, and they are expensive.


Your household and relationship issues surrounding this dilemma are so nuanced and quirky and unique to your situation that there is not much DCUM can do for you other than argue back and forth with each other about all the little details you have now provided. The bottom line is you need to work this out with your wife, it doesn't matter what DCUM thinks.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2022 21:33     Subject: Re:Wife wants a house cleaner instead of preschool

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

You DO NOT play/read/engage with your child for a solid 8 hours per day.


I absolutely do, she’s awake from 6:30-8 and only naps for two hours.

But even if I didn’t, that wouldn’t mean the next best use of my time would be housework. When she naps I exercise and read. Both my physical and intellectual health are more important than my washing a floor. After she goes to bed my husband and I spend time together— our relationship health is much more important than my folding towels.

Our house is clean and hygienic because we have a housekeeper. My home is healthy and loving because we don’t care whether the clothes are ironed by the same person who reads to the toddler.


You aren't telling the truth.

For as progressive as women are supposed to be now, listening to a bunch of women that do not hold a job outside of caring for their own child inside their own home say they incapable of doing simple adult/home owner tasks at the same time is just sad. When/If you ever worked an office job you are expected to multiple different work tasks during the day including keeping your workspace tidy. How is this not a reasonable expectation in your own home? You are also saying that the WOHP contribute to childcare and housework when they are not working otherwise they aren't pulling their weight in the relationship? How do the women that provide childcare in their home for others handle making sure the house and clean and tidy during the day? Isn't there some expectation that a hired nanny provide some sort of cleaning after the child? You just seem annoying and whinny about being expected to contribute to your household besides watching your own child.


That’s a dumb argument. A) we have janitors at the office who vacuum and dust and take out the trash, B) my office is nice and big but it’s not 2-3000 square feet! When our cleaning lady comes it takes her 6 hours of non stop work. I couldn’t do that with a small kid underfoot, let alone 2. It would be 6 hours on top of FT childcare. Good luck hiring a nanny to take care of your kids from 7 AM to 7 PM, cook all meals, AND clean the house. I’ve hired a lot of people to help and the vast majority wanted 40 hours, would at most empty the dishwasher.