Anonymous
02/02/2022 00:20
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i
No, it’s a religion. You can practice it and convert to it. Just like Baptist, catholic, Muslim, etc.
It’s disingenuous to ignore the ethnicity element of it.
To you. Not to me.
To anyone sane - it is disingenous.
+1, the ignorance on this thread is startling. My 23&Me DNA profile indicates it's more than a religion.
I've been Jewish since birth. Zero DNA to any Jewish bloodline. Maybe it is you that doesn't quite get it.
I don’t know why you wouldn’t acknowledge the fact that it’s both for a lot of people or one or the other. It’s literally a fact and not an opinion.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 23:41
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:So is a white, German, blue-eyed, limp blonde Jew the same as a Black, Ethiopian, tight-coiled, brown-eyed Jew the same race?
The white German Jew shares more DNA with the Ethiopian Jew than with a WASP. That is a fact.
Jews have only been considered white since being white went out of style.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 23:28
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone help me understand? One of my friends who has a Jewish background says that Jewish is not a race or ethnicity it's a religion. I told her I thought it was different, but I am not so I'll go with whatever she says. Why do some people say this? I don't understand.
It’s both and I think anyone sane acknowledges that.
See that's what I thought. But once a woman was socializing with us and referenced my friend being Jewish and she was so offended. But I am confused because her dad is Jewish but she felt like it's racist because no one can "look" Jewish. I've also heard a few others with this background say this...
I think it is kind of offensive to generally comment about people's looks. I think people also don't like it when they say - you're so exotic, what are you, etc. My DNA test says I'm Jewish so there's not really a debate that it's an ethnicity. DNA tests don't identify religion.
Your 10+ posts in your dna sample only prove the insular tribal exclusive nature of Jews. Not a new definition of race, tribe, religion, science, ethnicity, purism, etc. it just says your dna history has negligible intermixing. That doesn’t mean you invented a race out of it. Iceland dna has the same lack of mixing (and genetic defect risks), are they are “race?”
No, just a set of people not intermixing with others.
This, 23&me harpie.
And you're not racist, huh? Good grief.
And, no you are still wrong about how I am Jewish without a genetic line.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 23:28
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Judaism.is.not.a.race! To argue it is is to be a Nazi.
Jews have only been considered white for about twenty years. I grew up in the seventies and believe me, no one thought my family was white. My grandparents immigrated from various parts of Europe and didn't speak a word of Polish, German or Russian. Their immigration documents said "Hebrew" under race. People only say Jews are white now because most benefit from white privilege.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 23:20
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone help me understand? One of my friends who has a Jewish background says that Jewish is not a race or ethnicity it's a religion. I told her I thought it was different, but I am not so I'll go with whatever she says. Why do some people say this? I don't understand.
It’s both and I think anyone sane acknowledges that.
See that's what I thought. But once a woman was socializing with us and referenced my friend being Jewish and she was so offended. But I am confused because her dad is Jewish but she felt like it's racist because no one can "look" Jewish. I've also heard a few others with this background say this...
I think it is kind of offensive to generally comment about people's looks. I think people also don't like it when they say - you're so exotic, what are you, etc. My DNA test says I'm Jewish so there's not really a debate that it's an ethnicity. DNA tests don't identify religion.
Your 10+ posts in your dna sample only prove the insular tribal exclusive nature of Jews. Not a new definition of race, tribe, religion, science, ethnicity, purism, etc. it just says your dna history has negligible intermixing. That doesn’t mean you invented a race out of it. Iceland dna has the same lack of mixing (and genetic defect risks), are they are “race?”
No, just a set of people not intermixing with others.
This, 23&me harpie.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 23:16
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i
No, it’s a religion. You can practice it and convert to it. Just like Baptist, catholic, Muslim, etc.
It’s disingenuous to ignore the ethnicity element of it.
To you. Not to me.
To anyone sane - it is disingenous.
+1, the ignorance on this thread is startling. My 23&Me DNA profile indicates it's more than a religion.
I've been Jewish since birth. Zero DNA to any Jewish bloodline. Maybe it is you that doesn't quite get it.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 23:10
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:If you don't think there are Anti-Semitism coming out of the left I would like to introduce you to The Squad and the rise of the Progressives.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/30/us/american-anti-semitism-students-soh/index.html
Again, not all Jews agree with issues about Israel's gov't policies.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:57
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
If you don't think there are Anti-Semitism coming out of the left I would like to introduce you to The Squad and the rise of the Progressives.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/30/us/american-anti-semitism-students-soh/index.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/30/us/american-anti-semitism-students-soh/index.html
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:52
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nazis viewed Jews as a race and used racial “purity” tests. The key point is that the Nazis sought to exterminate the Jewish people. Her comments were weird and cruel.
Made even more “weird” by the history of racial segregation in the US that, no doubt, classified Jews from European backgrounds as “white”, So we have the Nazi’s view of race, the US view of race and “racial purity tests” that predate the Nazis, and we’re struggling to communicate our concerns using today’s standards.
I’m not sure what you’re struggling with. Nazis viewed Jews as a race. The exterminated six million Jews on that basis. Where this fits into 2022 talk of intersectionality does not matter.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:51
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nazis viewed Jews as a race and used racial “purity” tests. The key point is that the Nazis sought to exterminate the Jewish people. Her comments were weird and cruel.
Made even more “weird” by the history of racial segregation in the US that, no doubt, classified Jews from European backgrounds as “white”, So we have the Nazi’s view of race, the US view of race and “racial purity tests” that predate the Nazis, and we’re struggling to communicate our concerns using today’s standards.
Who’s we? Also, struggling with what concern?
Those of us who are trying to use our own categories: such as race, religion, and ethnicity— to describe and discuss concerns related to identify that may not fit neatly, or even at all, into those categories.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:50
Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Judaism is not a race, it is an ethnicity that does, for some, incorporate a blood lineage. But, there are others that practice Judaism, who are not genetically linked to these ethnic groups- and Jews can be just about any race. However, the Jews in Europe were murdered as they were deemed to be an inferior race by the Nazis, so it was about Hitler's misconception of race, and it was about his determination to create a master race. So it was racial.
What hasn't been discussed here is the response from the Anti Defamation league spokesman commenting on the rise of anti Semitism from the right "and left."
I'm Jewish and no, this really isn't coming from the left. It's very disturbing that being critical, in any way, of Israeli policy regarding the Palestinian issues, the land issues, etc., becomes anti Semitism. It absolutely is not. One is about a country and it's political decisions. Anti-Semitism is about Jews, period. I take more issue with that, than Whoppi's faux pax. One can see how Whoopi's comment was problematic, but one can also understand what she misunderstood. She misunderstood abd she apologized and did
a lot of clarification. It wasn't at call an anti Semitic comment, it was an uneducated comment- which, btw, Mayim Bialek agreed with!
She's said some pretty dumb things in the past, and this was in need of clarification, for sure, but I wasn't too thrilled with the gentleman's criticism of the left, and he sure didn't explain that either- but everyone knew what he meant.
What hasn't been discussed here is the response from the Anti Defamation league spokesman commenting on the rise of anti Semitism from the right "and left."
I'm Jewish and no, this really isn't coming from the left. It's very disturbing that being critical, in any way, of Israeli policy regarding the Palestinian issues, the land issues, etc., becomes anti Semitism. It absolutely is not. One is about a country and it's political decisions. Anti-Semitism is about Jews, period. I take more issue with that, than Whoppi's faux pax. One can see how Whoopi's comment was problematic, but one can also understand what she misunderstood. She misunderstood abd she apologized and did
a lot of clarification. It wasn't at call an anti Semitic comment, it was an uneducated comment- which, btw, Mayim Bialek agreed with!
She's said some pretty dumb things in the past, and this was in need of clarification, for sure, but I wasn't too thrilled with the gentleman's criticism of the left, and he sure didn't explain that either- but everyone knew what he meant.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:42
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Whoopi fan (to say the least), but I don't get the outrage. I'm Jewish and don't consider myself to be a different race. That is, I'm white. That's my race. Judaism is not a race.
Do you consider Judaism a faith?
Yes - and an ethnicity, perhaps. But not a race.
I guess these days, it depends how your feeling about what you are.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:40
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Whoopi fan (to say the least), but I don't get the outrage. I'm Jewish and don't consider myself to be a different race. That is, I'm white. That's my race. Judaism is not a race.
Do you consider Judaism a faith?
Yes - and an ethnicity, perhaps. But not a race.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:35
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She’s got all of two weeks to totally focus on her mental and physical health.
She's going to need more time than that.
Good point. She should ask for a year off.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 22:31
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:She’s got all of two weeks to totally focus on her mental and physical health.
She's going to need more time than that.