Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:36
Subject: Explain wealthy men and mail order brides
I wouldn’t call these young pretty women who seek exit from that reality “mail order” brides. They are indeed in most cases fluent in English, have in-demand college degrees (on top of being very attractive). It’s basically “brain drain” out of these countries, it’s just women have more choices vs men how to flee and get access to new economic opportunities. I know several from my exH circle in DC area: he worked for WB/IFC. His US friends married exceptionally attractive women from Eastern Europe. All the wives quickly adopted and work. I’m some cases, out-earned husbands in 10 years or so.Anonymous wrote:
Yes, these women were poor in terms of assets when they got married, but they had very expensive (by US standards) education. IT, engineering, doctors, lawyers, biotech etc. Once they confirm these degrees in the US, it’s the same deal for a husband as marrying a Yale graduate. Except he gets a very good looking wife with parents abroad without any “luggage” and of child bearing age. This is a major “step up” for upper middle class American husbands vs their selection in the US. They basically marry up to a higher social class from a poorer country vs their own social circle in the US. Many women I know are well traveled, play expensive sports like tennis, swimming, skiing, horse riding, play musical instruments etc. This type of upbringing is very cheap in Russia but expensive and only available to a few in the US. They can socialize with executive level friends or colleagues of their husbands rising his social standing and international connections.
If this were true then why haven't we seen an influx of young, handsome EE men who American women are marrying? Same can be said right? I know American women who would love to have a man with all the qualities you describe, so where are they?
Could it be that perhaps these degrees and pedigrees are nothing but a bunch of marketing B.S.? If not then what is good for the goose should be good for the gander right - so where are all these highly desirable eligible EE men who want American wives?
I know actually a lot of Russian men who married/dated American women. My husband is Russian, his first wife was American. They met at a dancing class, he was already in the US on a student visa by then. There are plenty of international marriages between colleagues who met on conferences, other overseas trips.
But Russian men are extremely dominant, particular those who are wealthy. I think this, combined with some sort of "Russian drunkard" or "Russian mafia" stigma surrounding Russian men is what prevents American women to seek such marriages. Also, keep note that (even an educated man) from Moscow won't have independent income for a few years, and the wife would have to support him as he confirms his diplomas. While it's ok for men and socially acceptable to support wife financially in the US, it's less socially acceptable in the very start of the relationship in reverse roles. American brides all want a husband who can pay the bills from the start, not in 3-5 years.
It doesn't mean though that men in Moscow are less educated or worse than women: it's just women have more options to escape via marriage.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:35
Subject: Explain wealthy men and mail order brides
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Up until 10 years ago it made sense for a lot of classy educated beautiful women from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics to marry into the west. Now, not so much. The economies have developed and they have much easier access to foreign countries through visas. There are still opportunities for 40 year old guys to marry well particularly if they are willing to marry someone who already has a child/divorced. But anyone older than that will have a lot more trouble. Single beautiful women in those countries have a lot of options. There are plenty of men. However, men age and die much more quickly due to alcoholism and other issues so there is definitely a gender imbalance over age 50. Not so much at younger ages.
'Their economies have developed'
-says who?
Let's see , which of these eastern European countries have flourishing economies ? Not Russia, not Ukraine, not Bielorussia .most European countries not part of the eruppean union have terrible economies .
They are good enough to have a comfortable life, especially in urban centers. I mean SOMEONE is keeping afloat the mortgage market in Moscow and St. Petersburg. SOMEONE is keeping vacation operators in Turkey, Egypt and Italy in business.
Give me a break !! With the exception of a few politically connected people in Moscow, the rest of the Russians are toiling away in poverty . Before the arrival of Russians, who use to keep vacation operators in Turkey, Egypt and Italy in business ? Here's the truth ; those countries were already hotbeds of tourism while the Russian were singing the praising of the Communist leader [i] du jour.
But they did arrive, didn't they?
Moscow and other urban centers have a thriving middle class. Not sure why it pains you admit it.
Russian poverty rate: 11.4% (World Bank numbers). US poverty rate: 13.4%
Slovenia: no 15 on the standards of living / quality of life ranking, well above US. Even Oman is higher than US.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:28
Subject: Explain wealthy men and mail order brides
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Up until 10 years ago it made sense for a lot of classy educated beautiful women from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics to marry into the west. Now, not so much. The economies have developed and they have much easier access to foreign countries through visas. There are still opportunities for 40 year old guys to marry well particularly if they are willing to marry someone who already has a child/divorced. But anyone older than that will have a lot more trouble. Single beautiful women in those countries have a lot of options. There are plenty of men. However, men age and die much more quickly due to alcoholism and other issues so there is definitely a gender imbalance over age 50. Not so much at younger ages.
'Their economies have developed'
-says who?
Let's see , which of these eastern European countries have flourishing economies ? Not Russia, not Ukraine, not Bielorussia .most European countries not part of the eruppean union have terrible economies .
They are good enough to have a comfortable life, especially in urban centers. I mean SOMEONE is keeping afloat the mortgage market in Moscow and St. Petersburg. SOMEONE is keeping vacation operators in Turkey, Egypt and Italy in business.
Give me a break !! With the exception of a few politically connected people in Moscow, the rest of the Russians are toiling away in poverty . Before the arrival of Russians, who use to keep vacation operators in Turkey, Egypt and Italy in business ? Here's the truth ; those countries were already hotbeds of tourism while the Russian were singing the praising of the Communist leader [i] du jour.
I love how American white men do their own mental gymnastics without any data. Keep dreaming that EE or Asian women want a fat, balding American man making 50K/year. They can get a much wealthier guy in their own country, 100% thinner and taller too in EE. Russians own a ton of real estate in London and Dubai and the poverty rate in Russia is well below the one in the USA. In US, boomers have insane alcohol and drug abuse problems. Boomers consume crystal meth at rates TRIPLE those of Millennials, Gen Xs and Zers. 10% of boomers abuse sedatives and 17% binge drink frequently. So yes, if these women are marrying an older American guy, there is a high probability he's a fat old drunk. The US averages are lower simply because Millennials and Zers barely drink and use drugs.
I'm in an affluent pocket in VA and I see a LOT of white American women with successful Asian husbands. My dentist is Korean and his wife is white. My friend's daughter (we're both EE from the same country) is marrying a Chinese guy who is finishing med school. I'm near a big medical center, my family is working in healthcare, and ALL the Indian surgeons have white wives. None of them are fat, like 74% of the Caucasian men BTW, and 100% of them are very successful. If you look at the Pew data, more and more white women are marring Asian men, especially the college educated one. I think everyone is realizing how much of a loser the average white guy is here.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:27
Subject: Explain wealthy men and mail order brides
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Up until 10 years ago it made sense for a lot of classy educated beautiful women from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics to marry into the west. Now, not so much. The economies have developed and they have much easier access to foreign countries through visas. There are still opportunities for 40 year old guys to marry well particularly if they are willing to marry someone who already has a child/divorced. But anyone older than that will have a lot more trouble. Single beautiful women in those countries have a lot of options. There are plenty of men. However, men age and die much more quickly due to alcoholism and other issues so there is definitely a gender imbalance over age 50. Not so much at younger ages.
'Their economies have developed'
-says who?
Let's see , which of these eastern European countries have flourishing economies ? Not Russia, not Ukraine, not Bielorussia .most European countries not part of the eruppean union have terrible economies .
They are good enough to have a comfortable life, especially in urban centers. I mean SOMEONE is keeping afloat the mortgage market in Moscow and St. Petersburg. SOMEONE is keeping vacation operators in Turkey, Egypt and Italy in business.
Give me a break !! With the exception of a few politically connected people in Moscow, the rest of the Russians are toiling away in poverty . Before the arrival of Russians, who use to keep vacation operators in Turkey, Egypt and Italy in business ? Here's the truth ; those countries were already hotbeds of tourism while the Russian were singing the praising of the Communist leader [i] du jour.
But they did arrive, didn't they?
Moscow and other urban centers have a thriving middle class. Not sure why it pains you admit it.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:27
Subject: Explain wealthy men and mail order brides
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many men in America, wealthy men also, prefer women from overseas because their culture of growing up was to always take care of their bodies and appearance. It's to be respectful. Doesn't always mean being a "slave", but more taking care of one self. I have two friends from the EU/Russia area and they both moved here around 2005. They are both married and have kids. They still take care of their looks and are always on top of things. I asked them how they are always so focused on being neat and mature. They actually told me it was their culture and their parents (mother mainly) who taught them that's how you behave.
And yes they are both married to wealthy highly successful men. But, they are not old men. About the same age or maybe 4-5 year difference.
Notice how here, we tend to use the word "behave" for children only.
Yes, that whole post makes my skin crawl. So many men who still want to marry a Barbie Doll. Vomit.
It is laughable how you call Russian mail order brides "Barbie Dolls". Don't underestimate these women. Russians (both women and men) are highly intelligent, opinionated, they tend to take lead in a family. They come from highly militarized ancestry, very stubborn and would fight back for their interests. A "submissive" Russian wife is a legend. And in many cases these "brides" have better education, better life coping skills than their US husbands. I would rather predict that an Eastern European wife would soon become bored with her American husbands' conservative antiques and with his Midwest relatives. All these TV shows, football nights will not sit well with a woman from St Petersburg or Moscow who covered Tolstoy and Dostoevsky in one year in high school. These marriages when there is an educational and social gap between "rich" husband and his foreign wife will last only until she obtained her own economic freedom.
The marriages between equals (similar educational background) usually last and are happy. Men do appreciate Eastern European good looks combined with high earning capacity of their wives.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:26
Subject: Explain wealthy men and mail order brides
Anonymous wrote:
You need to lose that chip thats so deeply embedded in your shoulder . How many Portuguese, Irish, Luxembourg citizens immigrate or aspire to immigrate to Russia for better opportunities???? How many Russian citizens have access to the quality Healthcare that citizens from the countries you mentioned have? Is there a Mail order bride industry in those countries? Also, American men aren't explicitly on the look out for college educated EE women as much as they're on the look out for women they deem pretty—both aren't mutually exclusive .
Furthermore, I stand by my statement which is verifiable that child support collection payments in Russia is virtually non existent . The Russian economy is a gigantic factory of Unemployment.
None of that changes the fact that Russia's alcohol consumption rates are not as high as people pretend. I am not sure why you have trouble admitting that.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:23
Subject: Explain wealthy men and mail order brides
I wouldn’t call these young pretty women who seek exit from that reality “mail order” brides. They are indeed in most cases fluent in English, have in-demand college degrees (on top of being very attractive). It’s basically “brain drain” out of these countries, it’s just women have more choices vs men how to flee and get access to new economic opportunities. I know several from my exH circle in DC area: he worked for WB/IFC. His US friends married exceptionally attractive women from Eastern Europe. All the wives quickly adopted and work. I’m some cases, out-earned husbands in 10 years or so.
Yes, these women were poor in terms of assets when they got married, but they had very expensive (by US standards) education. IT, engineering, doctors, lawyers, biotech etc. Once they confirm these degrees in the US, it’s the same deal for a husband as marrying a Yale graduate. Except he gets a very good looking wife with parents abroad without any “luggage” and of child bearing age. This is a major “step up” for upper middle class American husbands vs their selection in the US. They basically marry up to a higher social class from a poorer country vs their own social circle in the US. Many women I know are well traveled, play expensive sports like tennis, swimming, skiing, horse riding, play musical instruments etc. This type of upbringing is very cheap in Russia but expensive and only available to a few in the US. They can socialize with executive level friends or colleagues of their husbands rising his social standing and international connections.
Yes, these women were poor in terms of assets when they got married, but they had very expensive (by US standards) education. IT, engineering, doctors, lawyers, biotech etc. Once they confirm these degrees in the US, it’s the same deal for a husband as marrying a Yale graduate. Except he gets a very good looking wife with parents abroad without any “luggage” and of child bearing age. This is a major “step up” for upper middle class American husbands vs their selection in the US. They basically marry up to a higher social class from a poorer country vs their own social circle in the US. Many women I know are well traveled, play expensive sports like tennis, swimming, skiing, horse riding, play musical instruments etc. This type of upbringing is very cheap in Russia but expensive and only available to a few in the US. They can socialize with executive level friends or colleagues of their husbands rising his social standing and international connections.
If this were true then why haven't we seen an influx of young, handsome EE men who American women are marrying? Same can be said right? I know American women who would love to have a man with all the qualities you describe, so where are they?
Could it be that perhaps these degrees and pedigrees are nothing but a bunch of marketing B.S.? If not then what is good for the goose should be good for the gander right - so where are all these highly desirable eligible EE men who want American wives?