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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Exactly on point about Jonah. He lived in a hotel to be away from his evil mother. He loved Buddy and his uncle. He was the only one in the family with a moral compass. Did not believe the ending for a minute. It was like it was written by a teenager. He would not have shot that cop for his mother. He wanted justice for his uncle. Ruth dying was just wrong. We needed someone to hope for. The ending was bleak.

It really was a hopeless ending. Byrdes didn’t escape the life, their kids are becoming like them, and Ruth - Ruth!, whose story amazingly had hope amd change post-Wyatt’s death, was ended.

I mean, ok, but similar to the Sopranos they were all in with drugs, the mob, and the cartel. Ruth included.

Ruth was ready to accept that the KC mob killed Darlene and Wyatt in revenge for Darlene killing the head of the KC mob. Heck, she was on her way out of town. She could not set aside her impulse control and need for revenge/justice once she learned otherwise. She knew she would always have to be looking over her shoulder.

As far as Jonah and Charlotte - when it turned out that their grandfather didn't really give a crap about them and only took on their mother because "F her!" they went back to what they know, which is their family. Is Wendy terrible and ruthless? Yes. Will Wendy also do whatever she needs to do to protect them? Also yes. Some jerkface PI is sitting in your backyard with your uncle's ashes telling you that he's going to destroy the one constant in your life. Probably not a hard choice for Jonah.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

+1

+2. yes, his performance in this season was incredible. I always thought he was a fantastic actor - in The Americans and in The Waltons. I believe he suffered a lot after The Waltons, wasn't able to shake off the good-boy image or get cast in anything interesting. I remember an interview where he talked about his career stalling and his being frustrated. I'm so glad he's working and producing such amazing stuff when he does.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Exactly on point about Jonah. He lived in a hotel to be away from his evil mother. He loved Buddy and his uncle. He was the only one in the family with a moral compass. Did not believe the ending for a minute. It was like it was written by a teenager. He would not have shot that cop for his mother. He wanted justice for his uncle. Ruth dying was just wrong. We needed someone to hope for. The ending was bleak.

It really was a hopeless ending. Byrdes didn’t escape the life, their kids are becoming like them, and Ruth - Ruth!, whose story amazingly had hope amd change post-Wyatt’s death, was ended.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

+1

Anonymous wrote:I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Exactly on point about Jonah. He lived in a hotel to be away from his evil mother. He loved Buddy and his uncle. He was the only one in the family with a moral compass. Did not believe the ending for a minute. It was like it was written by a teenager. He would not have shot that cop for his mother. He wanted justice for his uncle. Ruth dying was just wrong. We needed someone to hope for. The ending was bleak.

PP above with one last thought. People upset about the end, hated what happened to Ruth. Don’t know what really happened after it blacked out. But, as we’re still all talking about it days and days later, I think that kind of constitutes a great ending.

Two random thoughts - first is pretty out there but what if Jonah just shot the container with the ashes all to pieces? PI still could have made trouble, but, knowing what he did about the Byrds, would have probably known he was a dead man and Byrds could have done away with any evidence..

The other is comments about the bad guys Byrds won. Knowing that Ruth was going to be killed and not being to stop it was horrifying to both of them. They were so elated before the gala, 24 more hours and we’re out, going home! Driving home after the gala, Marty and Wendy sat there not talking with tortured looks on their faces. No celebrating when they got back to the house. Then add Jonah (and Charlotte) finding out what happened to his uncle. They may have been able to get out and go legit. But they were never going to escape the horrors they had wrought.

Yeah, I see it as the Byrds still actually stuck in the Cartel thing. I'm the PP who didn't like the Wendy/Dad thing. The actor was really good, but I DGAF about Wendy or why she is the way she is. Stopped caring about her when she killed her brother, maybe before.

I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

Agreed. It helped explain Wendy's personality.

I totally disagree and thought it was an extremely lazy plot device. Tons of kids (at least up through the 80s) were beat by their parents, belittled and judged for the slight deviation from parents' ideal - ESPECIALLY for religious reasons. I guess we should all be out killing our own family members, destroying our family, and being psychotic. But we aren't. So, anyway, bad writing. I did like John Boy as a character - he's a great actor. But it was just one more unnecessary thing that was an odd stand-out part of a mediocre written season

The music choices were sublime this season.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

Agreed. It helped explain Wendy's personality.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

No we don't see this. the closing shot is Jonah shooting the gun which seems to be pointed at the detective, who is holding the cookie jar with Ben's ashes in them.

Also the Byrdes did what they did so that they could leave that world behind and become "legit". The deal was made with Camilla to keep their mouths shut in exchange for being able to leave that all behind.

what a commentary on the 1% in the US!

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

No we don't see this. the closing shot is Jonah shooting the gun which seems to be pointed at the detective, who is holding the cookie jar with Ben's ashes in them.

Also the Byrdes did what they did so that they could leave that world behind and become "legit". The deal was made with Camilla to keep their mouths shut in exchange for being able to leave that all behind.