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Anonymous wrote: I need a definition of CRT before I can answer the question.

CRT: indoctrination by the LWNJ to teach White lemmings to hate themselves because of what White men did 200 years ago that was common and accepted across the globe.

Ewwwww

Anonymous wrote: I need a definition of CRT before I can answer the question.

CRT: indoctrination by the LWNJ to teach White lemmings to hate themselves because of what White men did 200 years ago that was common and accepted across the globe.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) I actually studied CRT at the graduate level and that's not what's happening in schools here. Letting children know racism exists and has been an important part of our history is not CRT. Here's a reading list for those asking what it is: https://researchguides.library.vanderbilt.edu/c.php?g=414672&p=3327226. I recommend this article: https://harvardlawreview.org/1993/06/whiteness-as-property/

2) I am in favor of kids learning about the history and presence of racism in the US at grade appropriate levels (e.g. my first grader can't learn about legal history because he still doesn't have much understanding of the legal system, but he can learn in a fairly basic way about segregation, and we talk at home about how this influenced our city and school system).

Here's the answer.

In a nutshell, it's basically an analysis on white privilege and what it means. I think that's why a lot of people don't like it. They don't want to be told that they have "privilege" because when they are struggling to pay for food, rent, they don't feel like they have any privilege. What they cannot understand is that it's doubly hard when you are a POC and facing these struggles.

I think there's a bit of "walk a mile in my shoes" that needs to happen. Unfortunately, that's hard to do here.

I think that the problem is that simply that the term "white privilege" itself sounds super mean.

Of course, everything being equal white people tend to have it a lot easier than Black people. Systemic racism is obviously a thing. But the idea of saying a poor white 8-year-old boy who has cancer and autism has more "privilege' than Barack Obama's daughters, simply because he's a white male, implies that the little boy has a pony and a butler. The connotations are absurd.

The solution is to replace terms like those with some Greek.

Example: "Eleutheros" means "chained" in Greek. Maybe call members of the group linked to the discriminators "eleutherian" and the members of the discriminated against group "alisidan." The new terms would mean roughly what the old terms meaned, but without the absurd connotations.

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Anonymous wrote:Or ban away and then suffer the consequences. Such an educational system will not be respected.

Their "smart straight A" kids won't get into Ivys and they will say it's because of CRT. Never mind Colleges pay attention to the HS you come from, also the state and particularly the local area when deciding the make up of their entering classes.

Ivy or some other institution....either they will be aware and conversant about crt and other ideas or they will be ignorant. Keep you book or theory banning out of our schools. It is putting our students are a disadvantage.

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Anonymous wrote:No, we're not okay. That's why we helped vote Virginia into red.

Oh, dear. Just what I thought. The "red wave" in VA was pushed by racist suburban moms afraid their little kids would learn that their grandparents were racist people who approved of segregation and their great grandparents might have approved of lynching.

There is no running way from history. Your kids will eventually learn the truth you try to deny.

Yup

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Anonymous wrote:No, we're not okay. That's why we helped vote Virginia into red.

Oh, dear. Just what I thought. The "red wave" in VA was pushed by racist suburban moms afraid their little kids would learn that their grandparents were racist people who approved of segregation and their great grandparents might have approved of lynching.

There is no running way from history. Your kids will eventually learn the truth you try to deny.

You got all of that from that brief response?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) I actually studied CRT at the graduate level and that's not what's happening in schools here. Letting children know racism exists and has been an important part of our history is not CRT. Here's a reading list for those asking what it is: https://researchguides.library.vanderbilt.edu/c.php?g=414672&p=3327226. I recommend this article: https://harvardlawreview.org/1993/06/whiteness-as-property/

2) I am in favor of kids learning about the history and presence of racism in the US at grade appropriate levels (e.g. my first grader can't learn about legal history because he still doesn't have much understanding of the legal system, but he can learn in a fairly basic way about segregation, and we talk at home about how this influenced our city and school system).

Here's the answer.

In a nutshell, it's basically an analysis on white privilege and what it means. I think that's why a lot of people don't like it. They don't want to be told that they have "privilege" because when they are struggling to pay for food, rent, they don't feel like they have any privilege. What they cannot understand is that it's doubly hard when you are a POC and facing these struggles.

I think there's a bit of "walk a mile in my shoes" that needs to happen. Unfortunately, that's hard to do here.

I really wish it was expressed in those terms, which might be helpful. But the finger-pointing just makes people defensive, and then they push back. That's human nature. In my opinion, CRT is nothing more than the school of resentment gussied up in academic language, and it is not a good thing outside of college electives for those who wish to take it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) I actually studied CRT at the graduate level and that's not what's happening in schools here. Letting children know racism exists and has been an important part of our history is not CRT. Here's a reading list for those asking what it is: https://researchguides.library.vanderbilt.edu/c.php?g=414672&p=3327226. I recommend this article: https://harvardlawreview.org/1993/06/whiteness-as-property/

2) I am in favor of kids learning about the history and presence of racism in the US at grade appropriate levels (e.g. my first grader can't learn about legal history because he still doesn't have much understanding of the legal system, but he can learn in a fairly basic way about segregation, and we talk at home about how this influenced our city and school system).

Here's the answer.

In a nutshell, it's basically an analysis on white privilege and what it means. I think that's why a lot of people don't like it. They don't want to be told that they have "privilege" because when they are struggling to pay for food, rent, they don't feel like they have any privilege. What they cannot understand is that it's doubly hard when you are a POC and facing these struggles.

I think there's a bit of "walk a mile in my shoes" that needs to happen. Unfortunately, that's hard to do here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or ban away and then suffer the consequences. Such an educational system will not be respected.

Their "smart straight A" kids won't get into Ivys and they will say it's because of CRT. Never mind Colleges pay attention to the HS you come from, also the state and particularly the local area when deciding the make up of their entering classes.

No unhooked smart straight A kid from FCPS is getting into an Ivy regardless of whether or not CRT is taught.

Define "unhooked."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or ban away and then suffer the consequences. Such an educational system will not be respected.

Their "smart straight A" kids won't get into Ivys and they will say it's because of CRT. Never mind Colleges pay attention to the HS you come from, also the state and particularly the local area when deciding the make up of their entering classes.

No unhooked smart straight A kid from FCPS is getting into an Ivy regardless of whether or not CRT is taught.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you okay with schools teaching about communism, socialism, oligarchy, colonialism, aristocracies, theocracies, capitalism?

An informed person would know about all of those systems. They might not be an expert but they would not be ignorant or clueless as to the basics of the different systems and some places that had tried them.. successfully or not, currently and in the past.

I can actually see viewing history as class struggle as Marx did. I can't see it as being about race. It's just a flawed theory. Like Martin Bernal's Black Athena. Greece was not very much influenced by Africans, but try criticizing it and see what names you get called.

See the names people get called for their interest in studying crt. If you can't survive some name calling, do something else besides work in an educational field.

Take a long scholarly look at all of these ideas and stop banning books and theories etc. because they make you uncomfortable.

So you believe Black Athena is anything other than terrible history mascaraing as scholarship?

Anonymous wrote:And the coke addicts on Wall Street generally were ignored while the crack addicts in Harlem were vigorously rounded up and prosecuted.

THAT is the point.

+1 similar to the opioid and AIDS crisis. It wasn't a crisis until it started to hit mainstream white America.

I don't have a problem with my kid learning how racism has a direct impact on the current state of our society today.

Not every problem is due to racism, but racism definitely had impacts on some of society's issues today.

Anonymous wrote:Or ban away and then suffer the consequences. Such an educational system will not be respected.

Their "smart straight A" kids won't get into Ivys and they will say it's because of CRT. Never mind Colleges pay attention to the HS you come from, also the state and particularly the local area when deciding the make up of their entering classes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you okay with schools teaching about communism, socialism, oligarchy, colonialism, aristocracies, theocracies, capitalism?

An informed person would know about all of those systems. They might not be an expert but they would not be ignorant or clueless as to the basics of the different systems and some places that had tried them.. successfully or not, currently and in the past.

I can actually see viewing history as class struggle as Marx did. I can't see it as being about race. It's just a flawed theory. Like Martin Bernal's Black Athena. Greece was not very much influenced by Africans, but try criticizing it and see what names you get called.

See the names people get called for their interest in studying crt. If you can't survive some name calling, do something else besides work in an educational field.

Take a long scholarly look at all of these ideas and stop banning books and theories etc. because they make you uncomfortable.

CRT doesn't make me uncomfortable. It's just flawed and unworthy of much consideration. This is not the same as teaching black history, which is what all your previous posts above are about. What makes me uncomfortable is you can't criticize it without being called racist. Which is why dialogs on race always seem to fail.

Or ban away and then suffer the consequences. Such an educational system will not be respected.