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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots
They literally voted in Youngkin on the CRT issue .

Now he’s going to “ban” crt 😂 given it was never taught in schools that’s pretty amazing

As for these school board crazies good luck VA you just voted to destroy schools. And now have screaming religious zealots with their lovely Church going behaviors. Fun times!

Saying that CRT was "never taught in schools" is the latest mating call for progressives in denial who just got their asses handed to them on a platter.

No one was claiming 4th graders were being forced to read law-school texts on CRT. What has been said - and, correctly so - is that CRT-motivated pedagogy is now standard training in school systems like FCPS, and then impacts entire school systems. Here is an excerpt from part of the introduction to one of the leading CRT treatises:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456228658134323200/photo/1

When a bumbling educrat like Scott Brabrand spends the better part of the last two years claiming "equity is at the center of everything we do," that is more than a slight nod to CRT. And it really isn't helping anyone, except the "anti-racist" experts and consultancies, like the one founded by Merrick Garland's son-in-law, who get rich milking school systems to sell their speeches, training sessions, and surveys.

What's ironic is that this same group of people will argue until their face is red, that there are things such as implicit bias, or that our systems are inherently racist even though they are not outwardly or explicitly racist. But when it comes to CRT, all of a sudden, even explicit references to CRT ideology and terminology is somehow not CRT because it's not the whole thing that is taught in college courses.

Stop laser-focusing on "CRT" then and articulate exactly what it is that you want to go away. Stop throwing tantrums and use your words.

Already done. I voted and now McAuliffe is going away. You mad?

Not PP ...I am not mad but I am amused by the level of "discussion" on this board. I guess articulating your viewpoint is not your strong suit.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots
They literally voted in Youngkin on the CRT issue .

Now he’s going to “ban” crt 😂 given it was never taught in schools that’s pretty amazing

As for these school board crazies good luck VA you just voted to destroy schools. And now have screaming religious zealots with their lovely Church going behaviors. Fun times!

Saying that CRT was "never taught in schools" is the latest mating call for progressives in denial who just got their asses handed to them on a platter.

No one was claiming 4th graders were being forced to read law-school texts on CRT. What has been said - and, correctly so - is that CRT-motivated pedagogy is now standard training in school systems like FCPS, and then impacts entire school systems. Here is an excerpt from part of the introduction to one of the leading CRT treatises:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456228658134323200/photo/1

When a bumbling educrat like Scott Brabrand spends the better part of the last two years claiming "equity is at the center of everything we do," that is more than a slight nod to CRT. And it really isn't helping anyone, except the "anti-racist" experts and consultancies, like the one founded by Merrick Garland's son-in-law, who get rich milking school systems to sell their speeches, training sessions, and surveys.

What's ironic is that this same group of people will argue until their face is red, that there are things such as implicit bias, or that our systems are inherently racist even though they are not outwardly or explicitly racist. But when it comes to CRT, all of a sudden, even explicit references to CRT ideology and terminology is somehow not CRT because it's not the whole thing that is taught in college courses.

Stop laser-focusing on "CRT" then and articulate exactly what it is that you want to go away. Stop throwing tantrums and use your words.

I never before equated showing up at the ballot box and casting a vote with throwing a tantrum. Youngkin pretty clearly laid out in his closing argument that he wanted Virginia standards to teach US history, warts and all, without making kids do things like "privilege walks," be separated out by race in classrooms, and similar kinds of activities that parents are reacting to. People voted for that.

Where has that happened in VA?

I haven't heard that it has. The examples I've seen have been US-based, but in places like CA. However it was very clear that our existing VDOE leadership and many of our existing school board members were operating from the same world view - see the EdEquity page above - and people didn't want these kinds of horror stories to start.

To be clear, some of these things are not because, say, Kendi himself would recommend them in Stamped For Kids. They're because teachers are given vague directions on "cultural competency" or "anti-racism" and they end up implementing these ideas. Since all McAuliffe was doing was insisting "CRT isn't taught here" instead of saying, "I hear your concerns and I will make sure that we teach about implicit bias and systemic racism without re-enacting the horror stories of 8 year olds having to talk about all the ways they are vicitimized or privileged on the basis of race," what were concerned voters to do?

So far the only SB member I've heard say something about teaching the warts of history without reducing kids to skin color was Megan McLaughlin, who said that she understood privilege to be a complex mass of factors.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

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The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

What an asinine example. Parents want to be heard and be able to influence how their kids are taught by schools. They are not asking for mob rule or individual power to veto book choices. The example you gave would be the other extreme of parental control, which no one is asking for. We are simply rejecting the extreme that McAuliffe and the leftists are pushing for: no parental control. We want something in the rational middle, a school board that responds to parents' demands instead of thinking that they know what's best and should therefore disregard what the parents want 100% of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots
They literally voted in Youngkin on the CRT issue .

Now he’s going to “ban” crt 😂 given it was never taught in schools that’s pretty amazing

As for these school board crazies good luck VA you just voted to destroy schools. And now have screaming religious zealots with their lovely Church going behaviors. Fun times!

Saying that CRT was "never taught in schools" is the latest mating call for progressives in denial who just got their asses handed to them on a platter.

No one was claiming 4th graders were being forced to read law-school texts on CRT. What has been said - and, correctly so - is that CRT-motivated pedagogy is now standard training in school systems like FCPS, and then impacts entire school systems. Here is an excerpt from part of the introduction to one of the leading CRT treatises:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456228658134323200/photo/1

When a bumbling educrat like Scott Brabrand spends the better part of the last two years claiming "equity is at the center of everything we do," that is more than a slight nod to CRT. And it really isn't helping anyone, except the "anti-racist" experts and consultancies, like the one founded by Merrick Garland's son-in-law, who get rich milking school systems to sell their speeches, training sessions, and surveys.

What's ironic is that this same group of people will argue until their face is red, that there are things such as implicit bias, or that our systems are inherently racist even though they are not outwardly or explicitly racist. But when it comes to CRT, all of a sudden, even explicit references to CRT ideology and terminology is somehow not CRT because it's not the whole thing that is taught in college courses.

Stop laser-focusing on "CRT" then and articulate exactly what it is that you want to go away. Stop throwing tantrums and use your words.

I never before equated showing up at the ballot box and casting a vote with throwing a tantrum. Youngkin pretty clearly laid out in his closing argument that he wanted Virginia standards to teach US history, warts and all, without making kids do things like "privilege walks," be separated out by race in classrooms, and similar kinds of activities that parents are reacting to. People voted for that.

Where has that happened in VA?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

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The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Parents should decide *all* of what is taught in schools. The school board members are supposed to operate based on continued feedback from parents. They are not supposed to just get hired based on campaign promises and then run off to implement their own agendas without any regard to what parents want. You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of representative government. We don't elect representatives to think for us, we elect them to carry out our will. Sure, the representative has the power and the duty to make his/her own judgments, even in cases where such judgments do not have popular support, but this in no way negates the fact that it is at least partly, if not the majority, the duty of a representative to carry out the will of his/her constituents. Therefore to say that parents should not be able to decide what schools teach, is to completely distort the nature of representative democracy.

Ok, we do decide by electing the school board. The school board has meeting and then makes decisions. You seem to not agree with the school board, but the majority voted for them and they seem to be making decisions in line with the views of the majority of their constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:Not PP but having different opinions doesn’t mean someone is out of touch, it means they do not agree with you. I’m not happy with the SB either but I think right wingers completely astroturfed social media-including this forum-and convinced parents Democrats alone are responsible for the fall of education. Ignoring the changing demographics that contribute to local systems being overwhelmed. Ignoring that Republican led states often completely undermine public education and do not have good outcomes. Ignoring that CRT is not a thing. And that outsiders were brought in to stir crap up. That charter schools and vouchers have failed miserably in most cases bc they are not held to any standards.
You can call me names, be patronizing, etc, I still do not agree with you PPs. And yes, I am paying attention. I will vote for SB who are focused on academics in 2023. But this? Sticking it to the Dems when there is so much more at stake? Nah.

Democrats alone run the fcps school board, the lcps school board, the aps school board, the fcc school board, the arps school hoard and the Virginia Departmemt of Ed and have for many years.

So yes, without exception, the democratic party owns all of the school issues in northern Virginia.

And none of that changed by electing Youngkin.

Congrats on accomplishing nothing.

Virginia Department of Ed will change almost immediately after his inauguration.

He is going to be firing the current appointees and replacing them with professionals who value education, rigor and excellence over indoctrination, low standards and racism.

Just think, once Youngkin gets his policies in place, our teachers can return to using their planning days on things like literacy and math skills, instead of spending all their training hours on Ibrahim X and white privilege.

Please show me where in the SOLs there is direction to teach about Ibrahim X and white privilege? Remember, we criticize teachers for teaching to the test remember — that was the last popular parent agitation, anyway. So it should be easy for you to cite precisely where in the SOLs the CRT stuff is taught.

DP. Since people are usually reacting to what's provided in administrator and teacher training, including the PP you responded to, it makes more sense to go look at the teacher training materials. You're being purposefully disingenous to say you have to find it in the SOLs. FWIW I am a huge fan of the proposed changes to the social studies SOL and the way they round out VA's history teaching to include more important figures - I wish they'd gone further, in fact. However I'm not a huge fan of DiAngelo or Kendi.

For example this website from the VDOE Education Equity group directly quotes Kendi 3x:
https://www.virginiaisforlearners.virginia.gov/anti-racism-in-education/

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots
They literally voted in Youngkin on the CRT issue .

Now he’s going to “ban” crt 😂 given it was never taught in schools that’s pretty amazing

As for these school board crazies good luck VA you just voted to destroy schools. And now have screaming religious zealots with their lovely Church going behaviors. Fun times!

Saying that CRT was "never taught in schools" is the latest mating call for progressives in denial who just got their asses handed to them on a platter.

No one was claiming 4th graders were being forced to read law-school texts on CRT. What has been said - and, correctly so - is that CRT-motivated pedagogy is now standard training in school systems like FCPS, and then impacts entire school systems. Here is an excerpt from part of the introduction to one of the leading CRT treatises:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456228658134323200/photo/1

When a bumbling educrat like Scott Brabrand spends the better part of the last two years claiming "equity is at the center of everything we do," that is more than a slight nod to CRT. And it really isn't helping anyone, except the "anti-racist" experts and consultancies, like the one founded by Merrick Garland's son-in-law, who get rich milking school systems to sell their speeches, training sessions, and surveys.

What's ironic is that this same group of people will argue until their face is red, that there are things such as implicit bias, or that our systems are inherently racist even though they are not outwardly or explicitly racist. But when it comes to CRT, all of a sudden, even explicit references to CRT ideology and terminology is somehow not CRT because it's not the whole thing that is taught in college courses.

Stop laser-focusing on "CRT" then and articulate exactly what it is that you want to go away. Stop throwing tantrums and use your words.

Already done. I voted and now McAuliffe is going away. You mad?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

+1

The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

+1

The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Parents should decide *all* of what is taught in schools. The school board members are supposed to operate based on continued feedback from parents. They are not supposed to just get hired based on campaign promises and then run off to implement their own agendas without any regard to what parents want. You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of representative government. We don't elect representatives to think for us, we elect them to carry out our will. Sure, the representative has the power and the duty to make his/her own judgments, even in cases where such judgments do not have popular support, but this in no way negates the fact that it is at least partly, if not the majority, the duty of a representative to carry out the will of his/her constituents. Therefore to say that parents should not be able to decide what schools teach, is to completely distort the nature of representative democracy.

You do understand that school boards don’t set curriculum, right?

Before this CRT nonsense it was whining about Common Core. Everyone complained teachers taught to the test. The test is based on the Standards of Learning. So unless you can show me where CRT is discussed in the SOLs, you can sit the rest of this conversation out.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots
They literally voted in Youngkin on the CRT issue .

Now he’s going to “ban” crt 😂 given it was never taught in schools that’s pretty amazing

As for these school board crazies good luck VA you just voted to destroy schools. And now have screaming religious zealots with their lovely Church going behaviors. Fun times!

Saying that CRT was "never taught in schools" is the latest mating call for progressives in denial who just got their asses handed to them on a platter.

No one was claiming 4th graders were being forced to read law-school texts on CRT. What has been said - and, correctly so - is that CRT-motivated pedagogy is now standard training in school systems like FCPS, and then impacts entire school systems. Here is an excerpt from part of the introduction to one of the leading CRT treatises:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456228658134323200/photo/1

When a bumbling educrat like Scott Brabrand spends the better part of the last two years claiming "equity is at the center of everything we do," that is more than a slight nod to CRT. And it really isn't helping anyone, except the "anti-racist" experts and consultancies, like the one founded by Merrick Garland's son-in-law, who get rich milking school systems to sell their speeches, training sessions, and surveys.

What's ironic is that this same group of people will argue until their face is red, that there are things such as implicit bias, or that our systems are inherently racist even though they are not outwardly or explicitly racist. But when it comes to CRT, all of a sudden, even explicit references to CRT ideology and terminology is somehow not CRT because it's not the whole thing that is taught in college courses.

Stop laser-focusing on "CRT" then and articulate exactly what it is that you want to go away. Stop throwing tantrums and use your words.

I never before equated showing up at the ballot box and casting a vote with throwing a tantrum. Youngkin pretty clearly laid out in his closing argument that he wanted Virginia standards to teach US history, warts and all, without making kids do things like "privilege walks," be separated out by race in classrooms, and similar kinds of activities that parents are reacting to. People voted for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

+1

The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Parents should decide *all* of what is taught in schools. The school board members are supposed to operate based on continued feedback from parents. They are not supposed to just get hired based on campaign promises and then run off to implement their own agendas without any regard to what parents want. You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of representative government. We don't elect representatives to think for us, we elect them to carry out our will. Sure, the representative has the power and the duty to make his/her own judgments, even in cases where such judgments do not have popular support, but this in no way negates the fact that it is at least partly, if not the majority, the duty of a representative to carry out the will of his/her constituents. Therefore to say that parents should not be able to decide what schools teach, is to completely distort the nature of representative democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Not PP but having different opinions doesn’t mean someone is out of touch, it means they do not agree with you. I’m not happy with the SB either but I think right wingers completely astroturfed social media-including this forum-and convinced parents Democrats alone are responsible for the fall of education. Ignoring the changing demographics that contribute to local systems being overwhelmed. Ignoring that Republican led states often completely undermine public education and do not have good outcomes. Ignoring that CRT is not a thing. And that outsiders were brought in to stir crap up. That charter schools and vouchers have failed miserably in most cases bc they are not held to any standards.
You can call me names, be patronizing, etc, I still do not agree with you PPs. And yes, I am paying attention. I will vote for SB who are focused on academics in 2023. But this? Sticking it to the Dems when there is so much more at stake? Nah.

Democrats alone run the fcps school board, the lcps school board, the aps school board, the fcc school board, the arps school hoard and the Virginia Departmemt of Ed and have for many years.

So yes, without exception, the democratic party owns all of the school issues in northern Virginia.

And none of that changed by electing Youngkin.

Congrats on accomplishing nothing.

Virginia Department of Ed will change almost immediately after his inauguration.

He is going to be firing the current appointees and replacing them with professionals who value education, rigor and excellence over indoctrination, low standards and racism.

Just think, once Youngkin gets his policies in place, our teachers can return to using their planning days on things like literacy and math skills, instead of spending all their training hours on Ibrahim X and white privilege.

Please show me where in the SOLs there is direction to teach about Ibrahim X and white privilege? Remember, we criticize teachers for teaching to the test remember — that was the last popular parent agitation, anyway. So it should be easy for you to cite precisely where in the SOLs the CRT stuff is taught.

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Anonymous wrote:Not PP but having different opinions doesn’t mean someone is out of touch, it means they do not agree with you. I’m not happy with the SB either but I think right wingers completely astroturfed social media-including this forum-and convinced parents Democrats alone are responsible for the fall of education. Ignoring the changing demographics that contribute to local systems being overwhelmed. Ignoring that Republican led states often completely undermine public education and do not have good outcomes. Ignoring that CRT is not a thing. And that outsiders were brought in to stir crap up. That charter schools and vouchers have failed miserably in most cases bc they are not held to any standards.
You can call me names, be patronizing, etc, I still do not agree with you PPs. And yes, I am paying attention. I will vote for SB who are focused on academics in 2023. But this? Sticking it to the Dems when there is so much more at stake? Nah.

Sorry, but if you're still suggesting that the opposition to current education trends is primarily due to "astroturfing," or that "CRT is not a thing," you either haven't been paying attention or are simply looking for a way to avoid reality.

The Democrats created conditions locally where the response to Covid, like the response to every other major challenge FCPS has been facing, has been woefully inadequate, because the schools are run and overseen by second-rate bureaucrats and low-quality School Board members who spend 75% of their time saying what they think is politically correct, 20% of their time on Twitter endorsing political candidates, and 5% of their time on solutions.

Astroturfing is a thing. It has been documented that the right wingers sensed a dissatisfaction and ran with it. No one made it up. And as I stated, I really do not like this SB. There is zero emphasis on academics. But no one is addressing how Republicans some how give a F about public schools and have demonstrated success in elevating academic standards. And I absolutely agree that SB members should not be associated with any one party. They should be elected based on their qualifications and stated goals.

Yes, astroturfing is not new. Education is just the new focus for it.

I guess now we will see what Youngkin will bring to the table now for schools. Was it all talk? Will the GOP actually help our kids after exploiting them?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

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The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots
They literally voted in Youngkin on the CRT issue .

Now he’s going to “ban” crt 😂 given it was never taught in schools that’s pretty amazing

As for these school board crazies good luck VA you just voted to destroy schools. And now have screaming religious zealots with their lovely Church going behaviors. Fun times!

Saying that CRT was "never taught in schools" is the latest mating call for progressives in denial who just got their asses handed to them on a platter.

No one was claiming 4th graders were being forced to read law-school texts on CRT. What has been said - and, correctly so - is that CRT-motivated pedagogy is now standard training in school systems like FCPS, and then impacts entire school systems. Here is an excerpt from part of the introduction to one of the leading CRT treatises:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456228658134323200/photo/1

When a bumbling educrat like Scott Brabrand spends the better part of the last two years claiming "equity is at the center of everything we do," that is more than a slight nod to CRT. And it really isn't helping anyone, except the "anti-racist" experts and consultancies, like the one founded by Merrick Garland's son-in-law, who get rich milking school systems to sell their speeches, training sessions, and surveys.

What's ironic is that this same group of people will argue until their face is red, that there are things such as implicit bias, or that our systems are inherently racist even though they are not outwardly or explicitly racist. But when it comes to CRT, all of a sudden, even explicit references to CRT ideology and terminology is somehow not CRT because it's not the whole thing that is taught in college courses.

Stop laser-focusing on "CRT" then and articulate exactly what it is that you want to go away. Stop throwing tantrums and use your words.