Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.

None of us yet know what else he said. You're reacting to a report, not an absolute truth. Brighten up.

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.

Who knows what the hell would come out of my mouth first if I accidentally shot someone. That’s a weird thing to fixate on.

Anonymous wrote:Woah, this is insane if true:

I work in props. Apparently the armorer went off set between takes and shot live rounds out of the Colt .45 between takes. The armorer forgot to clear the weapon, so there was still a live round chambered. As a props guy, I can confirm this is absolutely f#cking unacceptable, and the armorer is the one who should be held accountable.

The poster explains that he's hearing from people on the set via his film industry group texts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qdgek2/a_lot_of_the_headlines_about_the_tragic_accident/hhn2br8/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

That is so f**ked up, if true.

Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.

Woah, this is insane if true:

I work in props. Apparently the armorer went off set between takes and shot live rounds out of the Colt .45 between takes. The armorer forgot to clear the weapon, so there was still a live round chambered. As a props guy, I can confirm this is absolutely f#cking unacceptable, and the armorer is the one who should be held accountable.

The poster explains that he's hearing from people on the set via his film industry group texts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qdgek2/a_lot_of_the_headlines_about_the_tragic_accident/hhn2br8/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think someone intentionally set up Alec. Would be difficult to do in the first place and even more difficult to get away with. Most likely someone screwed up. That’s all.

I’m not so sure.

I can’t imagine why they would even have live ammo on a set. Why would a prop gun ever be loaded with live ammo? It doesn’t seem right.

There’s literally no official word on any of this just speculation on Twitter. All we know for sure is that a young woman is dead and Alec Baldwin fired a gun. Chill before you get all crazy conspiracy theory with this.

Yes, this was most likely just a horrible accident. Still, at this point I’m sure the NM police know exactly who handed Alec Baldwin the gun and if this guy has “F Alec Baldwin” all over his Twitter then it will turn into a homicide investigation pretty quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think someone intentionally set up Alec. Would be difficult to do in the first place and even more difficult to get away with. Most likely someone screwed up. That’s all.

I’m not so sure.

I can’t imagine why they would even have live ammo on a set. Why would a prop gun ever be loaded with live ammo? It doesn’t seem right.

There’s literally no official word on any of this just speculation on Twitter. All we know for sure is that a young woman is dead and Alec Baldwin fired a gun. Chill before you get all crazy conspiracy theory with this.

I'm not even sure how the union would know there was a live round. It may very well be true (and I suspect it is), but it's in the union's interest to distance itself from what happened, so the union has an agenda in saying so.

I'll believe it for sure when the police confirm.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think someone intentionally set up Alec. Would be difficult to do in the first place and even more difficult to get away with. Most likely someone screwed up. That’s all.

I’m not so sure.

I can’t imagine why they would even have live ammo on a set. Why would a prop gun ever be loaded with live ammo? It doesn’t seem right.

There’s literally no official word on any of this just speculation on Twitter. All we know for sure is that a young woman is dead and Alec Baldwin fired a gun. Chill before you get all crazy conspiracy theory with this.

The head of Local 44 (IATSE - Los Angeles) already confirmed that it was a "live round" that was fired in an email to union members and that no one from the union was on the set of this film. Ergo, this was a non-union shoot.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-halyna-hutchins-shooting-film-rust-live-round-1235095349/

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think someone intentionally set up Alec. Would be difficult to do in the first place and even more difficult to get away with. Most likely someone screwed up. That’s all.

I’m not so sure.

I can’t imagine why they would even have live ammo on a set. Why would a prop gun ever be loaded with live ammo? It doesn’t seem right.

There’s literally no official word on any of this just speculation on Twitter. All we know for sure is that a young woman is dead and Alec Baldwin fired a gun. Chill before you get all crazy conspiracy theory with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn’t this thread come with a trigger warning?

The words "fatally shot" and "gun mishap" weren't enough for you? You sound STUPID.

and you missed the pun.

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn’t this thread come with a trigger warning?

The words "fatally shot" and "gun mishap" weren't enough for you? You sound STUPID.

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Anonymous wrote:Who’s gonna play Alec Baldwin in the SNL murder skit?


I vote for Trump.

OH my gosh now that would be payback but liberal SNL won't do that. Even though it would be sky high ratings!

Poor Alec. Not his fault but it sure sucks.

I'm really trying to understand why this line keeps getting repeated. He should have checked the gun before firing. And not pointed the weapon at the poor murdered cinematographer. He's not some new actor learning the ropes.

1. So on whether he should have checked the gun before firing, this seems like an easy question to answer. There are hundreds of actors out there "shooting" guns in films. What is the protocol? Personally, I can't imagine that every time Tom Cruise or Matt Damon or whoever has "checked" the gun before shooting it every time in every single movie. But I'm not in the industry, so I don't know. I assume you don't know either?
2. As discussed, cinematographers are all over the set and especially behind the camera. Hard to get the shot without the gun being "pointed" at somebody...

I have no clue what happened. But is surprises me that you seem so certain.

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Anonymous wrote:Who’s gonna play Alec Baldwin in the SNL murder skit?


I vote for Trump.

OH my gosh now that would be payback but liberal SNL won't do that. Even though it would be sky high ratings!

Poor Alec. Not his fault but it sure sucks.

I'm really trying to understand why this line keeps getting repeated. He should have checked the gun before firing. And not pointed the weapon at the poor murdered cinematographer. He's not some new actor learning the ropes.

X1000 how is this not his fault?

Why on earth would a prop gun be loaded with live ammo?

Doesn’t matter. It happened.

Productions literally have an entire subset of the crew - prop master, armorer, safety techs/trainers, plus assistants - to plan and manage handle firearm scenes. An actor is not an expert on firearms - that's the entire point of hiring all these people.

Again, more good info on Reddit:

In the fantasy world of movies, the actor is often not the expert which is why there's often an entire separate department just for firearms. In my experience on set, if the gun is unloaded, the expert is with the gun all the way to the actor's hands and shows the actor it is unloaded, and the actor acknowledges it. If a gun needs to be loaded with something, guns are checked, re-checked, cleared, shown and handed to an actor as "ready to fire" and the set becomes "hot". Guns are the most rigid, "do NOT f#ck around with this sh#t, I-don't-care-who-you-are" scenario. Do not improvise, do not point, do not lift, do not dismantle the gun, do not do anything you aren't explicitly told to do. It points to the ground, you hear action, you lift, fire, holster, cut, gun is removed from you hands.. Every precaution needs to take place, multiple times before it's handed over. How a gun that was accidentally loaded, or had the wrong ammo, or littered with casing shrapnel made it through the prep, the checks, the resetting and then handed to an actor without any of them noticing, is a spectacular failure I can't even wrap my head around.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qd4vzs/female_crewmember_dies_after_prop_gun_misfire_on/

Pretty much everyone in the industry who has worked with firearms is saying "This isn't possible." I'm more and more inclined to believe that someone on the New Mexico crew purposely did this with evil intent.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like Alec Baldwin, but I feel for him right now.

What does it matter what you think about him?

What does it matter what you think about that comment? We can keep going like this all day.