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Post 10/24/2019 08:25     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.

In all fairness he is also one of the greatest tweeters of all time.
The tweeting is self-promoting media manipulation. It’s not a separate talent.


Yes, that is a core component of his manipulation.

Frankly, given what we now know, I think the idea for at least a portion of his tweets comes from Russia. I think it was they who crafted the birtherism and got Donald going with that, for instance.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2019 07:26     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.

In all fairness he is also one of the greatest tweeters of all time.
The tweeting is self-promoting media manipulation. It’s not a separate talent.


Yes, that is a core component of his manipulation.


How DARE he defend himself from the unrelenting attacks of mainstream!


That is exactly how he is manipulating the message/media. He always claims he is the victim. Top notch gaslighting.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2019 07:22     Subject: Re:Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

Madison Debates
Friday July 20, 1787

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_720.asp

“Mr. DAVIE. If he be not impeachable whilst in office, he will spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected. He considered this as an essential security for the good behaviour of the Executive.”

“Col. MASON. No point is of more importance than that the right of impeachment should be continued. Shall any man be above Justice? Above all shall that man be above it, who can commit the most extensive injustice? When great crimes were committed he was for punishing the principal as well as the Coadjutors. There had been much debate & difficulty as to the mode of chusing the Executive. He approved of that which had been adopted at first, namely of referring the appointment to the Natl. Legislature. One objection agst. Electors was the danger of their being corrupted by the Candidates; & this furnished a peculiar reason in favor of impeachments whilst in office. Shall the man who has practised corruption & by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment, by repeating his guilt.

“Mr. Govr. MORRIS'S opinion had been changed by the arguments used in the discussion. He was now sensible of the necessity of impeachments, if the Executive was to continue for any [FN12] time in office. Our Executive was not like a Magistrate having a life interest, much less like one having an hereditary interest in his office. He may be bribed by a greater interest to betray his trust; and no one would say that we ought to expose ourselves to the danger of seeing the first Magistrate in forign pay, without being able to guard agst. it by displacing him. One would think the King of England well secured agst. bribery. He has as it were a fee simple in the whole Kingdom. Yet Charles II was bribed by Louis XIV. The Executive ought therefore to be impeachable for treachery; Corrupting his electors, and incapacity were other causes of impeachment. For the latter he should be punished not as a man, but as an officer, and punished only by degradation from his office. This Magistrate is not the King but the prime-Minister. The people are the King. When we make him amenable to Justice however we should take care to provide some mode that will not make him dependent on the Legislature.”



Many more great thoughts from our framers. Can’t paste them all.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2019 07:21     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.

In all fairness he is also one of the greatest tweeters of all time.
The tweeting is self-promoting media manipulation. It’s not a separate talent.


Yes, that is a core component of his manipulation.


How DARE he defend himself from the unrelenting attacks of mainstream!


I think a better wording is, “unrelenting facts.”
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2019 07:17     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.

In all fairness he is also one of the greatest tweeters of all time.
The tweeting is self-promoting media manipulation. It’s not a separate talent.


Yes, that is a core component of his manipulation.


How DARE he defend himself from the unrelenting attacks of mainstream!
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2019 07:11     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:Via Scott Horton

"When drafting the Constitution’s Impeachment Clause, the Framers had a specific historical episode in mind. In 1649 the English House of Commons impeached King Charles I for treason. Charles was alleged to have unlawfully subverted English democracy, and the final article of impeachment charged that he colluded with England’s foreign adversaries in his campaign against his domestic political rivals. Proving that last charge required an inquiry into Charles’s diplomatic communications.

Much of his trial devolved into a tedious debate over whether he could assert the king’s ordinary privileges and immunities. At one point Charles infamously insisted that he was immune from impeachment altogether because “the king can do no wrong.” Charles lost this debate. His personal “Papers and Letters” were all taken as evidence. His secretary was compelled to testify about his negotiations with England’s foreign adversaries.

Within a month of being impeached, Charles was found guilty and beheaded."


This is from an op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal. It’s a really interesting article:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/impeachment-trumps-executive-privilege-ask-george-washington-11571784069


Paywall.

This one is good:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/three-lessons-first-time-head-state-was-impeached

“During the Constitutional Convention debates over the Impeachment Clause, Benjamin Franklin cited the impeachment of Charles Stuart as one of the principal reasons the impeachment process needed to be formalized in the Constitution. And Gouverneur Morris supported the idea, arguing that Congress needed the power to impeach a president for “treachery” and “corrupting his electors.””


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Post 10/23/2019 23:56     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

Anonymous wrote:Via Scott Horton

"When drafting the Constitution’s Impeachment Clause, the Framers had a specific historical episode in mind. In 1649 the English House of Commons impeached King Charles I for treason. Charles was alleged to have unlawfully subverted English democracy, and the final article of impeachment charged that he colluded with England’s foreign adversaries in his campaign against his domestic political rivals. Proving that last charge required an inquiry into Charles’s diplomatic communications.

Much of his trial devolved into a tedious debate over whether he could assert the king’s ordinary privileges and immunities. At one point Charles infamously insisted that he was immune from impeachment altogether because “the king can do no wrong.” Charles lost this debate. His personal “Papers and Letters” were all taken as evidence. His secretary was compelled to testify about his negotiations with England’s foreign adversaries.

Within a month of being impeached, Charles was found guilty and beheaded."


This is from an op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal. It’s a really interesting article:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/impeachment-trumps-executive-privilege-ask-george-washington-11571784069
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 22:45     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

Coming attractions:

Depositions scheduled for next week —
Charles Kupperman, former deputy assistant for national security affairs, Monday 10/28
Timothy Morrison, special assistant to POTUS and senior director to Europe and Russia at National Security Council, Thursday 10/31
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 21:23     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.

In all fairness he is also one of the greatest tweeters of all time.
The tweeting is self-promoting media manipulation. It’s not a separate talent.


Yes, that is a core component of his manipulation.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 20:43     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.

In all fairness he is also one of the greatest tweeters of all time.
The tweeting is self-promoting media manipulation. It’s not a separate talent.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 20:19     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

Via Scott Horton

"When drafting the Constitution’s Impeachment Clause, the Framers had a specific historical episode in mind. In 1649 the English House of Commons impeached King Charles I for treason. Charles was alleged to have unlawfully subverted English democracy, and the final article of impeachment charged that he colluded with England’s foreign adversaries in his campaign against his domestic political rivals. Proving that last charge required an inquiry into Charles’s diplomatic communications.

Much of his trial devolved into a tedious debate over whether he could assert the king’s ordinary privileges and immunities. At one point Charles infamously insisted that he was immune from impeachment altogether because “the king can do no wrong.” Charles lost this debate. His personal “Papers and Letters” were all taken as evidence. His secretary was compelled to testify about his negotiations with England’s foreign adversaries.

Within a month of being impeached, Charles was found guilty and beheaded."
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 19:39     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.

In all fairness he is also one of the greatest tweeters of all time.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 19:08     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

“A federal judge Wednesday gave the State Department 30 days to release Ukraine-related records, including communications between Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

In response to an emergency motion from the watchdog group American Oversight, Judge Christopher Cooper ordered lawyers for the group and the State Department to come together to narrow the scope of the documents in the request -- eliminating those that would likely be exempt from release -- and produce documents in the next 30 days.“

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/23/politics/judge-orders-state-department-to-release-ukraine-records/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 11:16     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:

- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.


Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.


+1. That and self-promotion are his only talents.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2019 11:10     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quinnipiac latest:


- 55% support impeachment, a new peak
- Trump's job approval below 40% for the first time since impeachment
- Only 35% approve of his handling foreign policy
- 56% say he’s mishandling our national security


Even more dramatic than that crest over 50% is that 48% now favor impeachment AND REMOVAL.


Trial by media


So you would rather -- what? -- not give the American people any information about the crimes the President is committing?

That's easy -- watch Fox News. They're not talking about the impeachment process at all.


The constant polling tells me the real goal

The real goal of polling? To find out what people think about things. You’re just figuring this out?


Media pushes a narrative then media constantly polls to see how narrative is polling.



Yes, and Trump pushes the media. He has brilliantly manipulated the media for years.