Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is "WS"?

Please read the f&&king thread. WS is WebSleuths - a forum targeted towards missing and murdered cases. FA is Familly Annihilation - when one spouse decides to kill his or her entire family.

NP here - but you are an absolute jerk. 127 pages to this thread! Why can't you just answer the question, nicely.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

The California hike sounds worse - exposed switchbacks, 109 degrees. Either way, a 9-mile hike in 90+ degrees is a bad idea for most people.

I was going to say the same. The Savage Lundy Trail post-fire honestly doesn't look like a nice place to hike even aside from the heat.

And yet, there seems to be nothing or controversial going on. They aren't shutting down the park, they aren't holding news conferences about how bizarre everything is, they aren't telling everyone that they need to wait for the toxicology report to draw conclusions. He had a long hike in the heat and died of hear exhaustion. Tragic, but simple. And its being talked about and reported on simply.

I am someone that finds it ENTIRELY plausible that the cali family died of heat, but the way they are approaching the scene and the media just makes it seem clear that there is something there that is making it NOT seem like the most obvious explanation (heat) is not the explanation.

I wonder if one of the parents left a note in their phone to explain what happened.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

The California hike sounds worse - exposed switchbacks, 109 degrees. Either way, a 9-mile hike in 90+ degrees is a bad idea for most people.

I was going to say the same. The Savage Lundy Trail post-fire honestly doesn't look like a nice place to hike even aside from the heat.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

The California hike sounds worse - exposed switchbacks, 109 degrees. Either way, a 9-mile hike in 90+ degrees is a bad idea for most people.

Agree 100%. Sadly The Narrows was closed today for search and rescue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is "WS"?

Please read the f&&king thread. WS is WebSleuths - a forum targeted towards missing and murdered cases. FA is Familly Annihilation - when one spouse decides to kill his or her entire family.

Too bad there can’t be a sticky at the top defining the acronyms. Also to give a timeline and answer repeated questions.

Thankfully there are people who will rage about others not reading over 100 pages of a thread.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

The California hike sounds worse - exposed switchbacks, 109 degrees. Either way, a 9-mile hike in 90+ degrees is a bad idea for most people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Removing that bit of the timeline makes me lean more towards fa. If they went down SL trail and only got 1.5 miles from car/trailhead it seems they didn't get to the river for the toxic algae or hike long enough for multiple cases of heat stroke.

1.5 miles in and from the car isn't enough to kill everyone. One of the adults would have been able to make it back if this was the beginning of the trip. I would also love to know when the cell service stopped working. It presumably worked in the parking lot where they parked? So it's not as if you have to go all the way back to the car to make an emergency call?

If it worked in the parking lot, it would still work on the hike. I suspect they would have been out of range before the parking lot, sometime within the National Forest.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is "WS"?

Please read the f&&king thread. WS is WebSleuths - a forum targeted towards missing and murdered cases. FA is Familly Annihilation - when one spouse decides to kill his or her entire family.

Too bad there can’t be a sticky at the top defining the acronyms. Also to give a timeline and answer repeated questions.

^^^ Nah. No cute babies, dogs, or tech bro + cute wife angle, and no toxic algae, so nothing to get the public invested in the story.

Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

Have they closed Zion due to unknown hazards that killed him? That is what has happened here, with the park director closing the picnic areas and trails where the family died.

Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is "WS"?

Please read the f&&king thread. WS is WebSleuths - a forum targeted towards missing and murdered cases. FA is Familly Annihilation - when one spouse decides to kill his or her entire family.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/ca-jonathan-gerrish-ellen-chung-daughter-1-dog-suspicious-death-hiking-area-aug-2021-3.584856/page-8

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Removing that bit of the timeline makes me lean more towards fa. If they went down SL trail and only got 1.5 miles from car/trailhead it seems they didn't get to the river for the toxic algae or hike long enough for multiple cases of heat stroke.

1.5 miles in and from the car isn't enough to kill everyone. One of the adults would have been able to make it back if this was the beginning of the trip. I would also love to know when the cell service stopped working. It presumably worked in the parking lot where they parked? So it's not as if you have to go all the way back to the car to make an emergency call?

There was no cell service where they were found. Not sure of service at the trailhead where there car was, but no service on that part of the trail where they were.

Anonymous wrote:

What is "WS"?

Please read the f&&king thread. WS is WebSleuths - a forum targeted towards missing and murdered cases. FA is Familly Annihilation - when one spouse decides to kill his or her entire family.