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Anonymous wrote:To remind everyone of something that should be obvious: It does not matter whether you are in the walk zone or North Potomac; a decent part of your property value is due to the fact that you are zoned for Wootton. If Wootton goes away that school premium goes away. I realize this will delight the trolls but this comes as part of the package.

I hear you. But that’s a “what if” that may not come to fruition.
Your property value will not change because of the schools. Really, there are homes for 800K, that is pretty typical in most neighborhoods, even ones you consider the ghetto.

Are you serious? Are you implying that you will pay the same price for the same house no matter what school? give me a break.

We bought our house for location and neighborhood and didn't really put that much thought into the schools, even though we were fine with them. We bought before having kids.

That’s great. But it doesn’t change the fact that houses are priced the way they are because of the schools they are zoned for. Just because you didn’t care doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

+1. The schools and other public facilities (community centers, transit, roads, etc) contribute to the value of a property whether the current occupants use those facilities or not. The movement in the county (ironically led by people like Van Grack) has been to allow private land owners to capture the value of public facilities as private profit by getting rid of things like impact taxes.

This is so silly and nonsensical. Obviously your school zone impacts home values. If you don’t know that (or are trying not to acknowledge it) you’re an idiot. With that said, I also think there’s a bit of a scare tactic here in that I can’t imagine home values will plummet if Wootton moves to a new school with bells and whistles. If anything, one could argue that house values will increase because of the new building but still ‘Wootton.’

Not when the test scores and graduation rate decrease substantially with the new feeders added.

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Anonymous wrote:It's rush hour. I just drove by Wootton HS on the way to Downtown Crown. It took a whole 10 minutes. My day is ruined and the wheels on my car might fall off now. How could anyone deal with this daily. There is no justice in this world!

This is simply a lie. it doesn’t take 10 minutes when it’s not rush hour. There is no way you did it in 10 at this time unless you were breaking the law in every possible way.

Mapquest at 5:43 said 11 minutes,

I live walkable to Wootton-I just did waze and it says 18 minutes. hmmm.

And bussing is not driving your own car. It has many stops and detours to pick up the neighborhood kids which adds more time. We’re less than 10 min driving distance from our school but the bus comes at 45 min before school start time to pick up.

Oh I agree with you 100%. My response was for the pp who is saying she got to Crown in 10 minutes from Wootton by car during this time which is…impossible. That’s the only point I was trying to make. I am absolutely aware that it will take a considerably longer time when the kids are on the bus. It’s absurd that
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If kids who can normally walk to school now have to wake up 30–45 minutes earlier to catch a bus, that’s a significant burden especially since high schoolers already start their days so early.

So, everyone should be a 5-10 minute walk from high school because riding a bus is an unreasonable burden?

Not everyone, but for the current walkers it is additional burden

It's not really a "burden" if it's normal for other kids. This is just another example of Wootton parents believing they deserve special treatment.

Which other schools that walkers are converted to bussers in this boundary study???

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Anonymous wrote:It's rush hour. I just drove by Wootton HS on the way to Downtown Crown. It took a whole 10 minutes. My day is ruined and the wheels on my car might fall off now. How could anyone deal with this daily. There is no justice in this world!

This is simply a lie. it doesn’t take 10 minutes when it’s not rush hour. There is no way you did it in 10 at this time unless you were breaking the law in every possible way.

Mapquest at 5:43 said 11 minutes,

I live walkable to Wootton-I just did waze and it says 18 minutes. hmmm.

And bussing is not driving your own car. It has many stops and detours to pick up the neighborhood kids which adds more time. We’re less than 10 min driving distance from our school but the bus comes at 45 min before school start time to pick up.

Oh I agree with you 100%. My response was for the pp who is saying she got to Crown in 10 minutes from Wootton by car during this time which is…impossible. That’s the only point I was trying to make. I am absolutely aware that it will take a considerably longer time when the kids are on the bus. It’s absurd that
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If kids who can normally walk to school now have to wake up 30–45 minutes earlier to catch a bus, that’s a significant burden especially since high schoolers already start their days so early.

So, everyone should be a 5-10 minute walk from high school because riding a bus is an unreasonable burden?

Not everyone, but for the current walkers it is additional burden

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Anonymous wrote:"They hide behind illusory savings and best interests "

I don't think they are hiding at all. They are just openly trying to take Wootton down. The cheerleaders on this thread, don't really matter, but the BOE and the other local elected local officials do matter. And a large majority of the Wootton cluster is opposed to H, but most did nothing about it when they were voting over the past decade. So here we are.

No one is trying to take Wootton down. You all brought this on not us. There are other schools with more serious issues and you all selfishly want to bump them for the list. Your school has gotten far more updates than other much older schools.

Anonymous wrote:This thread has jumped the shark. It has devolved into cries of racism against anyone opposing Option H. The trolls doing this know it’s not true. Wootton families want to keep their school and the reputation 3 generations of graduates have built. MCPS wants to cover up its mistakes and is pushing Option H as quickly as possible with every bit of energy it can muster.

Wootton families overwhelming don’t want Option H. MCPS doesn’t care and its cheerleaders on this thread don’t either. They hide behind illusory savings and best interests of MCPS - but there are no hard numbers to back any of this up. MCPS is simply trying to run out the clock.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to all the Pro-H Wootton families with the courage to voice their rational opinions and who are putting in a lot of work behind the scenes. We see you, and we believe in you.

Shout out to you! I am the Cold Spring, Cabin John, Wootton parent that has been accused of being a troll so I went back to read the beginning of this thread and wanted to point out a few things.

See pages 3-6 where I participated in the beginning of this thread.

Pages 8 - 10 are not me but other Pro Option H Wootton parents that make amazing points.

I come back again on Page 69.

So whether you believe it or not ... Pro Option H Wootton parents exist and we are also being heard.

Right. How come none of you bothered to show up to the BOE meeting last week?

Just a heads up that there is more than one person responding to you. Also because as was previously stated...it is not that deep for most people.

Yeah our children’s educational future is definitely “not that deep”.

What exactly will change about your child's educational future that would be negative? All I see are positives... new AV equipment, new chem labs, new computers for AOIT, new athletic spaces....new everything!!! What is the downside from an education perspective? All the same classes, teachers etc just in a new location with better materials....genuine question

Seriously, this sounds much better than an old rundown building with mold issues. Mold can cause long term issues in students and staff so most of us would jump and gladly take the new school.

It’s getting combined with at least one but likely more very low performing schools. Not average-very low performing. That’s the problem. Everything about Wootton will change. So no, not everything will be the same.

Referring to Rosemount? A 56th percentile school, per MD report card?
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/0555/0

Mixing with those kids is a fate worse for your children than mold?

Did you actually look at the proficiency breakdown for math and english? I’m going to guess no since you clearly looked up the school and posted this but yet still managed to spell the name of the school wrong. Anyway-the kids in this school didn’t even meet 50% proficiency for either of those. That’s awful.

Fair enough, that's not great!

Still, I'm kind of taken aback that you consider having maybe 20% of your HS coming from a lower-performing elementary school to be worse for your kids than being exposed to mold. You realize your kid can take mostly APs and avoid those icky low-proficiency kids, right?

Wow. You think you are being sarcastic/funny but “icky low proficiency kids” is actually gross. I want my kids going to school with kids that can meet the extremely minimal requirements for proficiency-yes. That doesn’t mean I think these kids are “icky” I think these kids need intensive extra services to get them where they need to be. But not at the expense of my kids. If I wanted my kid to go to GHS-I would have moved to that cluster.

You’re the one talking about these kids as if being in the same building with them will somehow harm your child, when in high school students can mostly choose the classes appropriate to their academic level.

I don’t think it will harm my child individually, but it will harm the school. The numbers for the school as a whole will go down. That’s how that works.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to all the Pro-H Wootton families with the courage to voice their rational opinions and who are putting in a lot of work behind the scenes. We see you, and we believe in you.

Shout out to you! I am the Cold Spring, Cabin John, Wootton parent that has been accused of being a troll so I went back to read the beginning of this thread and wanted to point out a few things.

See pages 3-6 where I participated in the beginning of this thread.

Pages 8 - 10 are not me but other Pro Option H Wootton parents that make amazing points.

I come back again on Page 69.

So whether you believe it or not ... Pro Option H Wootton parents exist and we are also being heard.

Right. How come none of you bothered to show up to the BOE meeting last week?

Just a heads up that there is more than one person responding to you. Also because as was previously stated...it is not that deep for most people.

Yeah our children’s educational future is definitely “not that deep”.

What exactly will change about your child's educational future that would be negative? All I see are positives... new AV equipment, new chem labs, new computers for AOIT, new athletic spaces....new everything!!! What is the downside from an education perspective? All the same classes, teachers etc just in a new location with better materials....genuine question

It’s the people.., their kids will have to be around Gaithersburg people.

North Potomac is Gaithersburg with a fancier name.

Well, the Wootton kids won’t be going to school with the North Potomac kids because they’re at Quince Orchard. They’re gonna be going to school with the real Gaithersburg kids. Shutter

The Crown Gaithersburg kids, just like the Rio Gaithersburg kids who have already been going to Wootton for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to all the Pro-H Wootton families with the courage to voice their rational opinions and who are putting in a lot of work behind the scenes. We see you, and we believe in you.

Shout out to you! I am the Cold Spring, Cabin John, Wootton parent that has been accused of being a troll so I went back to read the beginning of this thread and wanted to point out a few things.

See pages 3-6 where I participated in the beginning of this thread.

Pages 8 - 10 are not me but other Pro Option H Wootton parents that make amazing points.

I come back again on Page 69.

So whether you believe it or not ... Pro Option H Wootton parents exist and we are also being heard.

Right. How come none of you bothered to show up to the BOE meeting last week?

Just a heads up that there is more than one person responding to you. Also because as was previously stated...it is not that deep for most people.

Yeah our children’s educational future is definitely “not that deep”.

What exactly will change about your child's educational future that would be negative? All I see are positives... new AV equipment, new chem labs, new computers for AOIT, new athletic spaces....new everything!!! What is the downside from an education perspective? All the same classes, teachers etc just in a new location with better materials....genuine question

Seriously, this sounds much better than an old rundown building with mold issues. Mold can cause long term issues in students and staff so most of us would jump and gladly take the new school.

It’s getting combined with at least one but likely more very low performing schools. Not average-very low performing. That’s the problem. Everything about Wootton will change. So no, not everything will be the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to all the Pro-H Wootton families with the courage to voice their rational opinions and who are putting in a lot of work behind the scenes. We see you, and we believe in you.

Shout out to you! I am the Cold Spring, Cabin John, Wootton parent that has been accused of being a troll so I went back to read the beginning of this thread and wanted to point out a few things.

See pages 3-6 where I participated in the beginning of this thread.

Pages 8 - 10 are not me but other Pro Option H Wootton parents that make amazing points.

I come back again on Page 69.

So whether you believe it or not ... Pro Option H Wootton parents exist and we are also being heard.

Right. How come none of you bothered to show up to the BOE meeting last week?

Just a heads up that there is more than one person responding to you. Also because as was previously stated...it is not that deep for most people.

Yeah our children’s educational future is definitely “not that deep”.

What exactly will change about your child's educational future that would be negative? All I see are positives... new AV equipment, new chem labs, new computers for AOIT, new athletic spaces....new everything!!! What is the downside from an education perspective? All the same classes, teachers etc just in a new location with better materials....genuine question

Seriously, this sounds much better than an old rundown building with mold issues. Mold can cause long term issues in students and staff so most of us would jump and gladly take the new school.

It’s getting combined with at least one but likely more very low performing schools. Not average-very low performing. That’s the problem. Everything about Wootton will change. So no, not everything will be the same.

Referring to Rosemount? A 56th percentile school, per MD report card?
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/0555/0

Mixing with those kids is a fate worse for your children than mold?

Did you actually look at the proficiency breakdown for math and english? I’m going to guess no since you clearly looked up the school and posted this but yet still managed to spell the name of the school wrong. Anyway-the kids in this school didn’t even meet 50% proficiency for either of those. That’s awful.

Fair enough, that's not great!

Still, I'm kind of taken aback that you consider having maybe 20% of your HS coming from a lower-performing elementary school to be worse for your kids than being exposed to mold. You realize your kid can take mostly APs and avoid those icky low-proficiency kids, right?

Wow. You think you are being sarcastic/funny but “icky low proficiency kids” is actually gross. I want my kids going to school with kids that can meet the extremely minimal requirements for proficiency-yes. That doesn’t mean I think these kids are “icky” I think these kids need intensive extra services to get them where they need to be. But not at the expense of my kids. If I wanted my kid to go to GHS-I would have moved to that cluster.

You’re the one talking about these kids as if being in the same building with them will somehow harm your child, when in high school students can mostly choose the classes appropriate to their academic level.

I don’t think it will harm my child individually, but it will harm the school. The numbers for the school as a whole will go down. That’s how that works.

Research, as discussed earlier on this thread, actually indicates that in the aggregate the scores on the lower end will increase, as opposed to the scores on the high end going down. So...this is a benefit to the lower scoring kids and no harm to the higher scoring kids.

How does a slightly lower test score harm "the school."?

You know exactly how lower test scores harm a school-don’t play dumb.

I genuinely do not.

DP. Yes you do, but equity compels you to pull down high achievers.

I genuinely do not. I never referenced equity, and am not a huge proponent of it the way it is popularly understood today. I honestly do not know what you even mean by the phrase "harm the school." The building? The students? And if the high achievers stay the same and the low achievers go slightly up....I see no plausible case for harm regardless of what you mean by "the school."

I’m not the person you are responding to but it seems like you are genuinely asking so I want to answer in an effort to have a real conversation.

Here’s where I stand as a parent: I too don’t think my individual kid will be impacted and I’m not trying to be braggy—but I don’t think my kid will be impacted because I won’t let it happen and because I understand my kid will have tons of resources like private tutoring.

But make no mistake, the overall test scores and reputation of this new Wootton will be impacted.

Why do I as a parent care if my own child will continue to excel?

College admissions.

The W schools do much better when it comes to elite college admissions (ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.) than the rest of MCPS. This is just facts. Look at the Naviance data for every school in this county and do a comparison. The kid with the exact same GPA and test score from let’s say QO or Northwestern will not do as well as ones from W schools. That’s why on average you see Princeton accept more W school kids than say kids from Damascus.

Yes I care about my kid going to an elite college. Yes I want to increase their chances as much as possible.

We can agree or disagree about whether or not an Ivy education is worth the cost, but we can’t dispute the fact that the reputation and overall performance of a high school is directly linked to top tier college admissions.

Tutoring is not that expensive depending on how you do it and not all kids want to go to ivys. My smart kids have zero interest in applying and I don’t care. I think you have an easier time not being at a W school as there is less competition. You cannot just do a straight comparison as my kids preform well but again, zero I Teresa in what you valve and call top schools.

Thank you for a well thought out response. I appreciate having a serious convo without snark.

Sure maybe my kid won’t want to go to an Ivy or a top college, but as a parent I’d like to give them the best shot if they want to pursue this route.

The point of you have less competition anywhere else than W schools is also true but it doesn’t negate the data. Top colleges (not just Ivy but Georgetown, and even UMD) accept more W kids even controlling for portion, gpa, and test scores. Why? Because the reputation of a school matters.

Anonymous wrote:It is hard to believe that very many Cold Spring people want H. That said if H goes through, I think many would find RM would be preferable to Crown. Then again, many will go private.

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Anonymous wrote:It's rush hour. I just drove by Wootton HS on the way to Downtown Crown. It took a whole 10 minutes. My day is ruined and the wheels on my car might fall off now. How could anyone deal with this daily. There is no justice in this world!

This is simply a lie. it doesn’t take 10 minutes when it’s not rush hour. There is no way you did it in 10 at this time unless you were breaking the law in every possible way.

Mapquest at 5:43 said 11 minutes,

I live walkable to Wootton-I just did waze and it says 18 minutes. hmmm.

And bussing is not driving your own car. It has many stops and detours to pick up the neighborhood kids which adds more time. We’re less than 10 min driving distance from our school but the bus comes at 45 min before school start time to pick up.

Oh I agree with you 100%. My response was for the pp who is saying she got to Crown in 10 minutes from Wootton by car during this time which is…impossible. That’s the only point I was trying to make. I am absolutely aware that it will take a considerably longer time when the kids are on the bus. It’s absurd that
H is even an option.

If kids who can normally walk to school now have to wake up 30–45 minutes earlier to catch a bus, that’s a significant burden especially since high schoolers already start their days so early.

So, everyone should be a 5-10 minute walk from high school because riding a bus is an unreasonable burden?

Not everyone, but for the current walkers it is additional burden

It's not really a "burden" if it's normal for other kids. This is just another example of Wootton parents believing they deserve special treatment.

Which other schools that walkers are converted to bussers in this boundary study???

The trolls here are very unreasonable anyway. No other schools have walkers converted to bussers, let alone all walkers of the school . Yet they claim Wootton wants special treatment. We’re getting “special treatment”, as only our school gets closed.

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Anonymous wrote:It's rush hour. I just drove by Wootton HS on the way to Downtown Crown. It took a whole 10 minutes. My day is ruined and the wheels on my car might fall off now. How could anyone deal with this daily. There is no justice in this world!

This is simply a lie. it doesn’t take 10 minutes when it’s not rush hour. There is no way you did it in 10 at this time unless you were breaking the law in every possible way.

Mapquest at 5:43 said 11 minutes,

I live walkable to Wootton-I just did waze and it says 18 minutes. hmmm.

And bussing is not driving your own car. It has many stops and detours to pick up the neighborhood kids which adds more time. We’re less than 10 min driving distance from our school but the bus comes at 45 min before school start time to pick up.

Oh I agree with you 100%. My response was for the pp who is saying she got to Crown in 10 minutes from Wootton by car during this time which is…impossible. That’s the only point I was trying to make. I am absolutely aware that it will take a considerably longer time when the kids are on the bus. It’s absurd that
H is even an option.

If kids who can normally walk to school now have to wake up 30–45 minutes earlier to catch a bus, that’s a significant burden especially since high schoolers already start their days so early.

So, everyone should be a 5-10 minute walk from high school because riding a bus is an unreasonable burden?

Not everyone, but for the current walkers it is additional burden

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to all the Pro-H Wootton families with the courage to voice their rational opinions and who are putting in a lot of work behind the scenes. We see you, and we believe in you.

Shout out to you! I am the Cold Spring, Cabin John, Wootton parent that has been accused of being a troll so I went back to read the beginning of this thread and wanted to point out a few things.

See pages 3-6 where I participated in the beginning of this thread.

Pages 8 - 10 are not me but other Pro Option H Wootton parents that make amazing points.

I come back again on Page 69.

So whether you believe it or not ... Pro Option H Wootton parents exist and we are also being heard.

Even if you’re not trolling, you’re soon going to be RM parent. Welcome to RM!

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to all the Pro-H Wootton families with the courage to voice their rational opinions and who are putting in a lot of work behind the scenes. We see you, and we believe in you.

This is an anonymous forum. They’re pro-H non Wootton families pretending to be Wootton families. Most Wootton families even pro-H do not have the energy to debate here for pages.