So is anything happening with trump and Epstein or is it going to just run its course on the headlines and that is now? I am not seeing much more about it.

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Anonymous wrote:yeah he's probably irked he's not allowed near parks or schools

17:08 definitely sounds like a pervert. Discusting.

Well this is it in a nutshell why people never have any accountability for their actions. Always blame others. We are referring to these teenagers as children, teenagers who could become babysitters and nannys responsible for newborn babies and young children, life guards who are responsible for saving lives in oceans and pools, camp counselors who are also responsible for large groups of very young children. We are calling these teens children for some reason, I think because it makes for a more sordid storyline.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has been in this creep network going back decades.

New episode of The Chris Hedges podcast details connections between Trump, Epstein, Maxwells, Jean Luc Brunel, and John Casablancas.

“Teen beauty pageants” and “model scouting” was to orbit young girls.

Brunel also killed himself in jail a couple years after Epstein.

It sounds like Trump is going to pardon Ghislaine. Does the public realize Ghislaine is serving her “prison” sentence in a cushy dormitory?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-chris-hedges-report/id1760075975

Trump has been deep in this since the late 70s. It's very plausible Robert Maxwell and Mossad set Trump up with his first wife, whose family had on-record links to intelligence circles. Isn't it also a documented fact Epstein and that same "fashion" orbit in Europe set him up with Melania? Don't forget Trump's mentor Roy Cohn.

Trump is absolutely telegraphing he will pardon Ghislaine.

I’m new to this story and got a little obsessed over the weekend, reading old threads and many linked articles. According to the old threads, there’s a narrative that Jeffrey Epstein introduced Trump to Melania, but that may or may not be true. Some news article(s) say that D and M met at a fashion party thrown by some Italian designer I’ve never heard of, and the news site reached out to the designer and he said there’s no way he would have invited Epstein to a party. (I don’t remember the year the article was written, but the vibe I got was less judgment against Epstein for being a creep and much more “designer scoffing at the idea of such an unfashionable nerd at his party.”) So who knows?

For what it’s worth, I found this 2020 Guardian article on John Casablanca’s “Look of the Year” competition in the 90s to be really interesting and evocative of a whole circle of model-adjacent creepy old guys during the early 90s. The article mentions that Melania was the runner-up in the Look of the Year competition in her country in that period. So it’s entirely possible they crossed paths through the creeping-on-young-models community and not directly through Epstein. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if those two circles overlapped often.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year

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Anonymous wrote:THIS IS NOT PARTISAN, If Biden or Clinton or anyone else that is a D is on the list send them to the gulag.

What is becoming VERY clear is that Donnie is DEEPLY involved in all of this. He facilitated thru the pageants he owned the "modeling" agencies and his connections w John Casablancas and Mossad.

It makes all of his failed business make sense because they were shell companies to launder money for "The Circuit".

it ALSO explains why he has been so untouchable. He most likely has dirt on EVERYONE. It's the only thing that makes sense of the last decade of insanity.

Then why didn't Joe Biden's Justice Department release them?

Who knows? All I do know is that he didn't run a campaign promising to release them. Let's get back to the present day. Donnie is in hot water. period.

They will never be released because so many powerful people on both sides of the aisle are compromised. Tons of business leaders are compromised. Other world leaders were caught up in this mess. Frankly, the pedo part is exaggerated (a lot of them were 17), but the bigger issues these girls were basically sex slaves. Even if they were 18, the entire island was grotesque.

You are disgusting! 17 yr old is no big deal to you? 17 yr old is still a child, a minor, a non adult in case you need a reminder.

You think there is a material difference between someone who is 17 years and 11 months and 18 years and 1 month?

You're using the law as if that arbitrary difference matters biologically. The legal implications and practical implications are different. Also, it's not clear who was exactly how old at what point.

We are strictly talking about legal implications and legal crimes for that matter. There is a rule. Anyone under 18 years is a child and you can twist yourself into a pretzel trying to argue semantics and how you were very mature as a 17 yr old, but if these men were engaging in these acts with a 17 yr, 11 month and 29 days old child, they were committing a crime. Stop being a rape apologist.

You would think as a society we should always protect our children since they don’t have a fully developed prefrontal cortex and are prone to emotional and impulsive decisions but people like you are vile and think there is no big deal if a 16 yr old is assaulted by a 50 yr old as long as we have ‘manufactured consent’.

THE GIRLS LIED AND SAID THEY WERE 18. It’s like using a fake ID and being served alcohol and then blaming the bar that you got a DUI. What happened to a little personal accountability?

You have exactly ZERO evidence that all the underaged girls lied about their age. YOU are the LIAR.

Don’t we already have court evidence that Epstein was in fact working with intelligence, Mossad and/or CIA?

The secretly videoed sex of powerful men having sex is many times more valuable if the raped victim is underaged. They would pay/do just about anything to stay out of prison.

Of course Epstein told the girls to lie about their age. He wasn’t stupid.

Many admitted they lied in the documentary.

Which victims reported they lied? None.

The girl recruiters told the girls to lie and say they were 18.

This. They knew the girls were under age. They deliberately and knowingly recruited young girls.

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Anonymous wrote:THIS IS NOT PARTISAN, If Biden or Clinton or anyone else that is a D is on the list send them to the gulag.

What is becoming VERY clear is that Donnie is DEEPLY involved in all of this. He facilitated thru the pageants he owned the "modeling" agencies and his connections w John Casablancas and Mossad.

It makes all of his failed business make sense because they were shell companies to launder money for "The Circuit".

it ALSO explains why he has been so untouchable. He most likely has dirt on EVERYONE. It's the only thing that makes sense of the last decade of insanity.

Then why didn't Joe Biden's Justice Department release them?

Who knows? All I do know is that he didn't run a campaign promising to release them. Let's get back to the present day. Donnie is in hot water. period.

They will never be released because so many powerful people on both sides of the aisle are compromised. Tons of business leaders are compromised. Other world leaders were caught up in this mess. Frankly, the pedo part is exaggerated (a lot of them were 17), but the bigger issues these girls were basically sex slaves. Even if they were 18, the entire island was grotesque.

You are disgusting! 17 yr old is no big deal to you? 17 yr old is still a child, a minor, a non adult in case you need a reminder.

You think there is a material difference between someone who is 17 years and 11 months and 18 years and 1 month?

You're using the law as if that arbitrary difference matters biologically. The legal implications and practical implications are different. Also, it's not clear who was exactly how old at what point.

We are strictly talking about legal implications and legal crimes for that matter. There is a rule. Anyone under 18 years is a child and you can twist yourself into a pretzel trying to argue semantics and how you were very mature as a 17 yr old, but if these men were engaging in these acts with a 17 yr, 11 month and 29 days old child, they were committing a crime. Stop being a rape apologist.

You would think as a society we should always protect our children since they don’t have a fully developed prefrontal cortex and are prone to emotional and impulsive decisions but people like you are vile and think there is no big deal if a 16 yr old is assaulted by a 50 yr old as long as we have ‘manufactured consent’.

THE GIRLS LIED AND SAID THEY WERE 18. It’s like using a fake ID and being served alcohol and then blaming the bar that you got a DUI. What happened to a little personal accountability?

Because they told them to say so not because they actually believed they were 18. They intentionally recruited some girls from Florida highschools. They knew. Some folks clearly have not followed the case in detail.

It was the other girls telling the recruits to lie. Additionally many seniors in HS are 18.

Listen, in no world is it okay to recruit for sex workers AT A HIGH SCHOOL.

The GIRLS were recruiting one another. It’s like the fake ID analogy. A group of underaged friends get together and get fake IDs, get served at one particular bar constantly, get sh!tfaced, eventually turn into raging alcoholics and then blame all of their failures in life on this one bar.

So you don’t place any blame on the bar in this analogy? It’s only the college kids you blame? The bar owners/employees are supposed to be the adults with a system in place to prevent fake IDs. And most of the time, of course they know they are using fake IDs. Walk into any college bar. It is pretty obvious which people are under 21.

They’re both at fault to some extent. The bar/older man is at fault as much as the underage kids lying about their ages. It is what it is, if kids are going to lie, they need to accept some accountability.

It’s disgusting the way you’re saying these girls (now women) should take personal responsibility. Vulnerable kids were groomed by seasoned predators, who used victims to recruit new victims. It wasn’t immediately obvious to these kids that they were ceding control of their bodies to a pimp. Girls with self esteem issues were made to feel special. They were isolated from other people in their lives. They were coerced into doing favors for the people who had been showing them favor. They were made to feel indebted. They were given drugs and alcohol to lower their inhibitions, dim their judgment, and make them feel like now they were complicit in illegal activities and could get in trouble if they went to authorities. If they pushed back, they were coerced with threats. They understood how rich and powerful Epstein’s clients/buddies are. Epstein had plenty of friends in high places. Who could they go to whom they could trust not to be compromised? Who could they trust with these secrets so their attempts to go to law enforcement didn’t get back to Epstein? Epstein’s clients/buddies were the people who run the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, you'd think/hope the people running the world would do better, whatever the girls' intentions were.

There are always slime balls to deal with, kids/teens just need to be aware of this and learn to deal with them appropriately. Also teach your kids not to delve into illegal activities for money. It’s never worth it. Additionally don’t blame others for your bad choices, because let’s be honest this is what this was, teens making bad choices, just like choosing to do drugs, to drink, to have sex and get pregnant, to steal, etc. Own your mistakes, learn from them, and don’t expect a huge payout from blaming everyone but yourself.

Who is seeking a payout?

I see a bunch of creepy old men wanting to protect their jobs and reputations from (deserved) losses.

The women now coming out of the woodwork. Like it just dawned on them that this was wrong, yet they willingly went back day after day for years and made much more than most kids and adults working at Walmart or McDonalds. I am sure they see $$$$ now by claiming this ruined the trajectory of their lives. It’s very transparent what they are doing. They also were told to lie about their ages and say they were 18.

So what? Statutory rape is a strict liability crime. If she's under 18, you do the time.

If an underage kid uses a fake ID to purchase alcohol should the bar or provider be held liable? I don’t agree that they should be. The kid must own their mistake for lying and making the mistake of illegally drinking alcohol.

There’s a big difference between a 19 year old who looks like they could be 21 and who has a realistic looking fake ID and a 12 or 13 year old girl who looks 15 at most and says she’s 18 — especially when the guy introducing you to the girl is known to have a huge supply of questionably young girls.

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I know it's been asked, but does anyone know what's happening with Ghislaine Maxwell?
Is she under armed guard? Will she ever tell what she knows?

Perhaps Mossad threatened her.

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Is she under armed guard? Will she ever tell what she knows?

Since there is one dolt who keeps saying that the girls were old enough to know what they were getting into. . .If everything about this was on the up and up, why are the men all hiding their involvement? Why did they hide their involvement at the time?

Anonymous wrote:yeah he's probably irked he's not allowed near parks or schools

17:08 definitely sounds like a pervert. Discusting.

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Anonymous wrote:THIS IS NOT PARTISAN, If Biden or Clinton or anyone else that is a D is on the list send them to the gulag.

What is becoming VERY clear is that Donnie is DEEPLY involved in all of this. He facilitated thru the pageants he owned the "modeling" agencies and his connections w John Casablancas and Mossad.

It makes all of his failed business make sense because they were shell companies to launder money for "The Circuit".

it ALSO explains why he has been so untouchable. He most likely has dirt on EVERYONE. It's the only thing that makes sense of the last decade of insanity.

Then why didn't Joe Biden's Justice Department release them?

Who knows? All I do know is that he didn't run a campaign promising to release them. Let's get back to the present day. Donnie is in hot water. period.

They will never be released because so many powerful people on both sides of the aisle are compromised. Tons of business leaders are compromised. Other world leaders were caught up in this mess. Frankly, the pedo part is exaggerated (a lot of them were 17), but the bigger issues these girls were basically sex slaves. Even if they were 18, the entire island was grotesque.

You are disgusting! 17 yr old is no big deal to you? 17 yr old is still a child, a minor, a non adult in case you need a reminder.

You think there is a material difference between someone who is 17 years and 11 months and 18 years and 1 month?

You're using the law as if that arbitrary difference matters biologically. The legal implications and practical implications are different. Also, it's not clear who was exactly how old at what point.

We are strictly talking about legal implications and legal crimes for that matter. There is a rule. Anyone under 18 years is a child and you can twist yourself into a pretzel trying to argue semantics and how you were very mature as a 17 yr old, but if these men were engaging in these acts with a 17 yr, 11 month and 29 days old child, they were committing a crime. Stop being a rape apologist.

You would think as a society we should always protect our children since they don’t have a fully developed prefrontal cortex and are prone to emotional and impulsive decisions but people like you are vile and think there is no big deal if a 16 yr old is assaulted by a 50 yr old as long as we have ‘manufactured consent’.

THE GIRLS LIED AND SAID THEY WERE 18. It’s like using a fake ID and being served alcohol and then blaming the bar that you got a DUI. What happened to a little personal accountability?

BECAUSE EPSTEIN AND MAXWELL TOLD THEM TO.

WHY ARE THE GIRLS NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR AGREEING TO LIE OR ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING AT ALL?

Because they were children and didn’t know better. Exactly ow do you think they should be held accountable?

They need to just admit that they were able to distinguish between right and wrong and knew how to avoid going with strangers when they were teenagers. Teenagers are babysitters responsible for young children, life guards, camp counselors, you mean to tell me these women weren’t aware of what was happening?

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Anonymous wrote:THIS IS NOT PARTISAN, If Biden or Clinton or anyone else that is a D is on the list send them to the gulag.

What is becoming VERY clear is that Donnie is DEEPLY involved in all of this. He facilitated thru the pageants he owned the "modeling" agencies and his connections w John Casablancas and Mossad.

It makes all of his failed business make sense because they were shell companies to launder money for "The Circuit".

it ALSO explains why he has been so untouchable. He most likely has dirt on EVERYONE. It's the only thing that makes sense of the last decade of insanity.

Then why didn't Joe Biden's Justice Department release them?

Who knows? All I do know is that he didn't run a campaign promising to release them. Let's get back to the present day. Donnie is in hot water. period.

They will never be released because so many powerful people on both sides of the aisle are compromised. Tons of business leaders are compromised. Other world leaders were caught up in this mess. Frankly, the pedo part is exaggerated (a lot of them were 17), but the bigger issues these girls were basically sex slaves. Even if they were 18, the entire island was grotesque.

You are disgusting! 17 yr old is no big deal to you? 17 yr old is still a child, a minor, a non adult in case you need a reminder.

You think there is a material difference between someone who is 17 years and 11 months and 18 years and 1 month?

You're using the law as if that arbitrary difference matters biologically. The legal implications and practical implications are different. Also, it's not clear who was exactly how old at what point.

We are strictly talking about legal implications and legal crimes for that matter. There is a rule. Anyone under 18 years is a child and you can twist yourself into a pretzel trying to argue semantics and how you were very mature as a 17 yr old, but if these men were engaging in these acts with a 17 yr, 11 month and 29 days old child, they were committing a crime. Stop being a rape apologist.

You would think as a society we should always protect our children since they don’t have a fully developed prefrontal cortex and are prone to emotional and impulsive decisions but people like you are vile and think there is no big deal if a 16 yr old is assaulted by a 50 yr old as long as we have ‘manufactured consent’.

THE GIRLS LIED AND SAID THEY WERE 18. It’s like using a fake ID and being served alcohol and then blaming the bar that you got a DUI. What happened to a little personal accountability?

You have exactly ZERO evidence that all the underaged girls lied about their age. YOU are the LIAR.

Don’t we already have court evidence that Epstein was in fact working with intelligence, Mossad and/or CIA?

The secretly videoed sex of powerful men having sex is many times more valuable if the raped victim is underaged. They would pay/do just about anything to stay out of prison.

Of course Epstein told the girls to lie about their age. He wasn’t stupid.

Many admitted they lied in the documentary.

Which victims reported they lied? None.

The girl recruiters told the girls to lie and say they were 18.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:19 yr.old makes who have been convicted of statutory rape for having a consensual sexual relationship with a 17 year old girl

And this is where the law is insane. Further, in a world where teenage girls are encouraged to have sex (the moms here say to put them on birth control pronto all the time), it's absurd to punish the other party harshly if he's a bit older. Either the girl is old enough or she's not. The guy's age should be irrelevant. Further, if the girl is too young, we can apply the same rules for boys, so if the girlfriend is under the age, she also goes to jail.

None of the men involved here were just "a bit older" -- they were meaningfully older. That's what made Epstein's events special -- the young age of the girls!

You are gross. You understand nothing about sexual relationships and psychology. And we all wish you would leave so that this thread can discuss something other than how perverted you are.

Well said. Perverts seem to frequent this site.

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Anonymous wrote:THIS IS NOT PARTISAN, If Biden or Clinton or anyone else that is a D is on the list send them to the gulag.

What is becoming VERY clear is that Donnie is DEEPLY involved in all of this. He facilitated thru the pageants he owned the "modeling" agencies and his connections w John Casablancas and Mossad.

It makes all of his failed business make sense because they were shell companies to launder money for "The Circuit".

it ALSO explains why he has been so untouchable. He most likely has dirt on EVERYONE. It's the only thing that makes sense of the last decade of insanity.

Then why didn't Joe Biden's Justice Department release them?

Who knows? All I do know is that he didn't run a campaign promising to release them. Let's get back to the present day. Donnie is in hot water. period.

They will never be released because so many powerful people on both sides of the aisle are compromised. Tons of business leaders are compromised. Other world leaders were caught up in this mess. Frankly, the pedo part is exaggerated (a lot of them were 17), but the bigger issues these girls were basically sex slaves. Even if they were 18, the entire island was grotesque.

You are disgusting! 17 yr old is no big deal to you? 17 yr old is still a child, a minor, a non adult in case you need a reminder.

You think there is a material difference between someone who is 17 years and 11 months and 18 years and 1 month?

You're using the law as if that arbitrary difference matters biologically. The legal implications and practical implications are different. Also, it's not clear who was exactly how old at what point.

We are strictly talking about legal implications and legal crimes for that matter. There is a rule. Anyone under 18 years is a child and you can twist yourself into a pretzel trying to argue semantics and how you were very mature as a 17 yr old, but if these men were engaging in these acts with a 17 yr, 11 month and 29 days old child, they were committing a crime. Stop being a rape apologist.

You would think as a society we should always protect our children since they don’t have a fully developed prefrontal cortex and are prone to emotional and impulsive decisions but people like you are vile and think there is no big deal if a 16 yr old is assaulted by a 50 yr old as long as we have ‘manufactured consent’.

THE GIRLS LIED AND SAID THEY WERE 18. It’s like using a fake ID and being served alcohol and then blaming the bar that you got a DUI. What happened to a little personal accountability?

You have exactly ZERO evidence that all the underaged girls lied about their age. YOU are the LIAR.

Don’t we already have court evidence that Epstein was in fact working with intelligence, Mossad and/or CIA?

The secretly videoed sex of powerful men having sex is many times more valuable if the raped victim is underaged. They would pay/do just about anything to stay out of prison.

Of course Epstein told the girls to lie about their age. He wasn’t stupid.

Many admitted they lied in the documentary.

Which victims reported they lied? None.

The girl recruiters told the girls to lie and say they were 18.

Anonymous wrote:Considering the files, Trump’s reaction, and extensive record of his past behavior towards women, why do some of his supporters refuse to believe he was involved and basically, is a predator? I have a MAGA male relative in his 70s who keeps defending Trump, and I’m sickened and want little to do with this person now. It’s embarrassing listening to them.

This is the cult that was all-in on the Epstein conspiracy and now have to reconcile that with voting for a pedophile.