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Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Go find that yourself. Trolling is bad for youm. Just fyi.

Would an actual accurate list ruin the discussion?
Because then everyone can't pretend what they're saying is true

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Go find that yourself. Trolling is bad for youm. Just fyi.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

What can Philly do differently than DC for a 16 year old player who doesn't have a European passport?

How much leverage, say and power do parents and agents have over the clubs in negotiations?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

What can Philly do differently than DC for a 16 year old player who doesn't have a European passport?

How much leverage, say and power do parents and agents have over the clubs in negotiations?

Philly has stronger relationships in Europe and worldwide than DCU. It is just a much more respected program for the products they produce. Philly has made 4 times the amount of money on.acadmey players than DCU has over the last 5-6 years and there is a reason for that. At a minimum, they can offer a stronger network which in turn represents more potential exposure and opportunities. Philly has a stronger and smarter front office for negotiations and strategy around player moves. DCUs front office is literally a joke. Given all of that, who would you chose? At 16 Philly can do what it did for Cavan Sullivan. DCU could t do that because 1. They dont have the talent or the development history and 2. They don't have the relationships.

Parents have almost no leverage. They have a say but that's about it. Agents have a liittle more power because they are actually brokering the deals and the relationships. Parents should be that...parents. leave the football to people whose job it is to do football.

Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

What can Philly do differently than DC for a 16 year old player who doesn't have a European passport?

How much leverage, say and power do parents and agents have over the clubs in negotiations?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda feeling like this conversation (though quite interesting) is moving fairly off topic... I don't mean BSC bashing, but I use this thread for general BSC info.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers