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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

As is Serbia

https://www.ft.com/content/204813e0-7006-4ec6-aa66-938c346ec70d

Bulgaria pledging military support for Ukraine...

https://www.bta.bg/en/news/bulgaria/469670-defence-minister-tagarev-bulgaria-must-help-ukraine-to-continue-its-counter-off

Russia's sphere of influence and circle of friends just keeps shrinking and shrinking.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s beyond farcical that anyone would suggest that Ukraine did this to themselves. Apart from the potential loss of life directly as well as the damage that floodwaters cause, that reservoir was the main source of water for most Ukrainian agriculture as well as part of the coolant for a nuclear power plant.

Nobody did this to anyone. The simplest explanation is that the old dam became compromised after months of bilateral shelling. This is the likeliest reason.

Only if you ignore evidence that Russia mined the dam quite openly months ago.

But you're just a troll, churning out posts all on the Political Threads because you have no friends and you're living in your parent's basement.

I don't consider the statements Zelensky made to be evidence.

What are the Russians currently saying? It’s a pretty safe bet to believe the opposite.

Literally everything Russia has ever said about this war has been a lie.

Yes, I see the North Stream story has been nothing but straight and clear. Lies are the stuff wars are made of.

It's been known for quite some time that Nordstream 2 was a Ukrainian job. You need to keep up, PP. NATO didn't like it when it happened, but it didn't want to haul Ukraine over the coals for this, despite the scramble over the winter for heating.

No, stop lying. The entire world was quite enthusiastically blaming Russia when it happened, calling it an act of international terrorism.

Then the Ukrainian link surfaced. And everyone is like...well..if that's so....I guess it's all right then. Let's don't talk about it.

Yeah, that is the way it works.

If Ukraine blew it up I am cool with it. I really do not care; and Europe is fine for energy.

Anything that degrades Russia is on the table. If Ukraine fired up gas chambers for Russians I may have pause, or not.

Nice try. russia is not a victim. They are just a pathetic corrupt imperialist throwback that we laugh at. They blew up the dam because they wanted to hurt Ukraine and flood some islands where troops were stationed. The dumbasses made too big a hole and effed up again. Pirozghin may be right. These idiots are dumb enough to nuke Belgorod.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s beyond farcical that anyone would suggest that Ukraine did this to themselves. Apart from the potential loss of life directly as well as the damage that floodwaters cause, that reservoir was the main source of water for most Ukrainian agriculture as well as part of the coolant for a nuclear power plant.

Nobody did this to anyone. The simplest explanation is that the old dam became compromised after months of bilateral shelling. This is the likeliest reason.

Only if you ignore evidence that Russia mined the dam quite openly months ago.

But you're just a troll, churning out posts all on the Political Threads because you have no friends and you're living in your parent's basement.

I don't consider the statements Zelensky made to be evidence.

What are the Russians currently saying? It’s a pretty safe bet to believe the opposite.

Literally everything Russia has ever said about this war has been a lie.

Yes, I see the North Stream story has been nothing but straight and clear. Lies are the stuff wars are made of.

It's been known for quite some time that Nordstream 2 was a Ukrainian job. You need to keep up, PP. NATO didn't like it when it happened, but it didn't want to haul Ukraine over the coals for this, despite the scramble over the winter for heating.

No, stop lying. The entire world was quite enthusiastically blaming Russia when it happened, calling it an act of international terrorism.

Then the Ukrainian link surfaced. And everyone is like...well..if that's so....I guess it's all right then. Let's don't talk about it.

Yeah, that is the way it works.

If Ukraine blew it up I am cool with it. I really do not care; and Europe is fine for energy.

Anything that degrades Russia is on the table. If Ukraine fired up gas chambers for Russians I may have pause, or not.

Blowing the dam gives Russia the cover and opportunity to pull some of the military resources out of Kherson and Crimea to go and shore up their now-compromised borders of Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

If I had a bullet every time someone says "offensive", I'd rearm Ukraine by now.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s beyond farcical that anyone would suggest that Ukraine did this to themselves. Apart from the potential loss of life directly as well as the damage that floodwaters cause, that reservoir was the main source of water for most Ukrainian agriculture as well as part of the coolant for a nuclear power plant.

Nobody did this to anyone. The simplest explanation is that the old dam became compromised after months of bilateral shelling. This is the likeliest reason.

Only if you ignore evidence that Russia mined the dam quite openly months ago.

But you're just a troll, churning out posts all on the Political Threads because you have no friends and you're living in your parent's basement.

I don't consider the statements Zelensky made to be evidence.

What are the Russians currently saying? It’s a pretty safe bet to believe the opposite.

Literally everything Russia has ever said about this war has been a lie.

Yes, I see the North Stream story has been nothing but straight and clear. Lies are the stuff wars are made of.

It's been known for quite some time that Nordstream 2 was a Ukrainian job. You need to keep up, PP. NATO didn't like it when it happened, but it didn't want to haul Ukraine over the coals for this, despite the scramble over the winter for heating.

How did they get the team from Ukraine to NordStream?

There was a shell company in Poland, according to today's exclusive article in the Washington Post. The plans were part of the leaks of Jack Texeira, and known to the US and Europe in 2022. Go read it. The link was posted upthread.

The only thing that proves is that they thought about it. As probably did a few other countries, too.

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Uh; Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union. Odds are they were not wargaming in the 70s or 80s.

I mixed up Russians and Soviets there. Not sure how that happened.

Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

Uh; Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union. Odds are they were not wargaming in the 70s or 80s.

Is this your first war? It is not a video game or a movie. Wars take years - unless your america then they take a week or two with decades of insurrection.

The dam would be fine if Russia did not invade. I do not care if E.T. Plugged his finger in and blew it up - it’s on the waste of space and oxygen known as Russia and Russians.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s beyond farcical that anyone would suggest that Ukraine did this to themselves. Apart from the potential loss of life directly as well as the damage that floodwaters cause, that reservoir was the main source of water for most Ukrainian agriculture as well as part of the coolant for a nuclear power plant.

Nobody did this to anyone. The simplest explanation is that the old dam became compromised after months of bilateral shelling. This is the likeliest reason.

Only if you ignore evidence that Russia mined the dam quite openly months ago.

But you're just a troll, churning out posts all on the Political Threads because you have no friends and you're living in your parent's basement.

I don't consider the statements Zelensky made to be evidence.

What are the Russians currently saying? It’s a pretty safe bet to believe the opposite.

Literally everything Russia has ever said about this war has been a lie.

Yes, I see the North Stream story has been nothing but straight and clear. Lies are the stuff wars are made of.

It's been known for quite some time that Nordstream 2 was a Ukrainian job. You need to keep up, PP. NATO didn't like it when it happened, but it didn't want to haul Ukraine over the coals for this, despite the scramble over the winter for heating.

How did they get the team from Ukraine to NordStream?

Those Ukraine kayak guys are strong paddlers 😆

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Anonymous wrote:It’s beyond farcical that anyone would suggest that Ukraine did this to themselves. Apart from the potential loss of life directly as well as the damage that floodwaters cause, that reservoir was the main source of water for most Ukrainian agriculture as well as part of the coolant for a nuclear power plant.

Nobody did this to anyone. The simplest explanation is that the old dam became compromised after months of bilateral shelling. This is the likeliest reason.

Only if you ignore evidence that Russia mined the dam quite openly months ago.

But you're just a troll, churning out posts all on the Political Threads because you have no friends and you're living in your parent's basement.

I don't consider the statements Zelensky made to be evidence.

What are the Russians currently saying? It’s a pretty safe bet to believe the opposite.

Literally everything Russia has ever said about this war has been a lie.

Yes, I see the North Stream story has been nothing but straight and clear. Lies are the stuff wars are made of.

It's been known for quite some time that Nordstream 2 was a Ukrainian job. You need to keep up, PP. NATO didn't like it when it happened, but it didn't want to haul Ukraine over the coals for this, despite the scramble over the winter for heating.

How did they get the team from Ukraine to NordStream?

There was a shell company in Poland, according to today's exclusive article in the Washington Post. The plans were part of the leaks of Jack Texeira, and known to the US and Europe in 2022. Go read it. The link was posted upthread.

Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

To keep Russia from going further? Huh? What are you smoking? Russia has been stalemated, ground to a halt and attrition has taken its toll. The only place Russia made any advance at all in the last 8 months was to capture a few kilometers worth of a Bakhmut, at a cost of turning it into worthless rubble anyhow. And now, just a few weeks after declaring victory in Bakhmut, Ukraine is already taking swaths of it back from Russia, much to Prigozhin's dismay and many curses.

Your weird scenario of Ukraine blowing the dam as a stopgap to stop from being overrun by rapidly advancing unstoppable hordes of Russian war machinery makes absolutely zero sense in any sane universe whatsoever.