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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

None of that creates legal justification for killing her.

Lots of people cosplaying as online lawyers here.

Can anyone link to a detailed legal analysis by, or an interview with, an actual attorney with experience evaluating use of deadly force by LE?

Firing on fleeing suspects has been illegal for almost as long as I am alive and I had a colonoscopy this week.

Did the doctor go too far with the probe and damage your brain?

She wasn’t fleeing; she was protesting there all day long as part of her “ICE-watch” group and then placed an officer in imminent fear of a violent death.

You're right about that. She wasn't fleeing. She was pulling out like she said she was doing. Then the snowfake Jonathan Ross murdered her while putting the other two agents at risk of errant shots.

I'm not some expert but based on common sense of someone who just looked at these videos:

Could she have been more careful and less reckless? Yes of course. We can all name numerous things she could have or should have done.

Still doesn't make this self defense imo. The ICE agents seemed totally disorganized. Some are telling her to leave while others are approaching the car. This russ guy walks and stops in front of her car as his colleagues are/were telling her to leave.

And who in their right mind would ever stand or saunter in front of a car in a high stress situation? His behavior defies logic. It's not like she committed a crime and you have to put yourself in harm's way to prevent an escape. I don't even walk in front of turned on cars in the parking lot unless I make eye contact with the driver. And when he does see the car moving forward, his first reaction is to shoot?? I would guess 99.9% people's reaction would be to jump out of the way.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm anti trump and anti ICE putting it out there. Not blaming the victim in any way. Just curious did she communicate: I'm going to back up and leave now! I'm driving away! Don't shoot me!

Because in protest training that's what we're taught to do. Try to talk through your actions. Move deliberately.

I know she probably wasn't trained (just like the ICE agents aren't) but I wonder if some part of her made these choices as a flashpoint. I'm sorry she was murdered. But glad we're collectively mobilizing around this.

She clearly says “I’m pulling out” in the video.

And she would already have been gone if the car parked behind her hadn't moved around her and cut her off.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

None of that creates legal justification for killing her.

Lots of people cosplaying as online lawyers here.

Can anyone link to a detailed legal analysis by, or an interview with, an actual attorney with experience evaluating use of deadly force by LE?

Firing on fleeing suspects has been illegal for almost as long as I am alive and I had a colonoscopy this week.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

None of that creates legal justification for killing her.

Lots of people cosplaying as online lawyers here.

Can anyone link to a detailed legal analysis by, or an interview with, an actual attorney with experience evaluating use of deadly force by LE?

Just YouTube one. There are TONS posted, and not one supports Jonathan Ross in this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

So I can jump out in front of traffic and start shooting at drivers, and that's perfectly legal?

Only if you have a dumpy build, Nazi haircut, and a prissy bandanna over your face.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

None of that creates legal justification for killing her.

Lots of people cosplaying as online lawyers here.

Can anyone link to a detailed legal analysis by, or an interview with, an actual attorney with experience evaluating use of deadly force by LE?

Anonymous wrote:I'm anti trump and anti ICE putting it out there. Not blaming the victim in any way. Just curious did she communicate: I'm going to back up and leave now! I'm driving away! Don't shoot me!

Because in protest training that's what we're taught to do. Try to talk through your actions. Move deliberately.

I know she probably wasn't trained (just like the ICE agents aren't) but I wonder if some part of her made these choices as a flashpoint. I'm sorry she was murdered. But glad we're collectively mobilizing around this.

She clearly says “I’m pulling out” in the video.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

Do you have video/audio of the masked men rushing her vehicle identifying themselves as ICE? Would she not have been violently thrown to the pavement if she had opened the door?

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

Not true at all. The agent shares blame if he's acting recklessly, which he was, against DHS policies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

That video clearly shows the agent was not hit by the car, or even close to being in harms way.

Not even close to being in harms way? I can’t believe you can type that with a clear conscience. All three of those people near the car were 100% in harms way.

You can’t be taken seriously if you think this was a low stakes situation with no chance for things to go sideways.

Yes, not in harm's way. Grocery store parking lots are more dangerous than what's on that video.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

None of that creates legal justification for killing her.

Sorry for not reading 102 pages but why was ICE interacting with her in the first place?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

This has been explained time and time again with video evidence. Let me guess, are you still asking why Biden didn’t release the Epstein files?

Have you figured out who shot JR?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.

The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

You can hear them on the video telling her to move when they were next to the car.