Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 23:20     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many observers around the District Building feel that Cheh won't run for the Council again. Cheh has also said that she was surprised at the degree of neighborhood opposition to the Hearst pool. The pool proposal is unlikely to survive the studies that the DC government now concedes it will have to do. Even if the studies don't kill the pool outright, it will likely fade away as Cheh leaves the Council.

God I hope this is true. For a lot of reasons, not the Hearst pool particularly.


+1. Very tired of Cheh, who combines an inability to listen to her constituents with an arrogant, know-it-all approach to decision-making.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 19:49     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:Many observers around the District Building feel that Cheh won't run for the Council again. Cheh has also said that she was surprised at the degree of neighborhood opposition to the Hearst pool. The pool proposal is unlikely to survive the studies that the DC government now concedes it will have to do. Even if the studies don't kill the pool outright, it will likely fade away as Cheh leaves the Council.

God I hope this is true. For a lot of reasons, not the Hearst pool particularly.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 16:35     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:Don't let facts get in the way of reality.

The ANC and CPCA fought changing the service lane every time the issue arises.

The ANC and CPCA fought the farmers market. This is a fact.

Other neighborhoods seem to be thriving while the Cleveland Park commercial district is languishing. Why? Because no one wants to deal with the ANC and CPCA.

And fact, a pro sidewalk, pro-ubanist ANC Commissioner who also supports the pool unseated a sitting ANC Commissioner whose area abuts Hearst Park. The pool was a central theme to the race and she won.



apparently not!
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 16:31     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:Don't let facts get in the way of reality.

The ANC and CPCA fought changing the service lane every time the issue arises.

The ANC and CPCA fought the farmers market. This is a fact.

Other neighborhoods seem to be thriving while the Cleveland Park commercial district is languishing. Why? Because no one wants to deal with the ANC and CPCA.

And fact, a pro sidewalk, pro-ubanist ANC Commissioner who also supports the pool unseated a sitting ANC Commissioner whose area abuts Hearst Park. The pool was a central theme to the race and she won.



You seem kind of angry. If Cleveland Park is so run down from your perspective, perhaps you should de-stress by moving to somewhere with a more "urbanist" vibe. I'm sure there would be plenty of buyers for your home.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 16:28     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:PP here, the CPBA fought the farmers market, not the CPCA. But the ANC opposed it for the last time in 2014 so it died.

It would have been nice to close the service lane for a few hours each Sunday to have a place where we could meet as a community, but because of entrenched forced in the neighborhood, we cannot have nice things like farmers markets and neighborhood pools.



Brookville Market opposed a farmers market a few years ago, fearing a loss in sales. Apparently, Brookville will not oppose one now. But markets trying to stifle competition is nothing new. Look at Cathedral Commons, where Giant -- many multiples larger and more powerful than Brookville -- effectively restricts the type of tenants at Cathedral Commons. The reason why we can't have a specialty baker like Paul or a specialty seafood store is because of Giant, which wants people to buy their gluten-enriched puffy bread and farm-raised fish.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 13:06     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
PP here, the CPBA fought the farmers market, not the CPCA. But the ANC opposed it for the last time in 2014 so it died.

It would have been nice to close the service lane for a few hours each Sunday to have a place where we could meet as a community, but because of entrenched forced in the neighborhood, we cannot have nice things like farmers markets and neighborhood pools.

Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 13:01     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Don't let facts get in the way of reality.

The ANC and CPCA fought changing the service lane every time the issue arises.

The ANC and CPCA fought the farmers market. This is a fact.

Other neighborhoods seem to be thriving while the Cleveland Park commercial district is languishing. Why? Because no one wants to deal with the ANC and CPCA.

And fact, a pro sidewalk, pro-ubanist ANC Commissioner who also supports the pool unseated a sitting ANC Commissioner whose area abuts Hearst Park. The pool was a central theme to the race and she won.

Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 10:42     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The polling showed an overwhelming support for the pool, despite the opponents efforts to stack the votes against it. The neighborhood groups are pariahs that no one listens to.


"Pariahs"? Both neighborhood organizations have substantial membership. I suspect that you don't actually live in Cleveland Park, so stop claiming to speak for what the neighborhood wants or doesn't want?


These are many of the same people that mark it difficult for businesses to survive on the commercial strip. Enjoy that 7-11.


Huh?


DP here: the CPCA and the CPHS fought Cathedral Commons for 15 years,
CPHS TOOK NO POSITION ON CATHEDRL COMMONS. HOWEVER, CPCA WAS A SIGNATORY, ALONG WITH MAYOR WILLIAMS' PLANNING OFFICE ON A 2002 AGREEMENT WITH GIANT WHEREBY GIANT AGREED TO BUILD A NEW STORE ON WISCONSIN AVENUE. INEXPLICABLY, GIANT THEN BREACHED THE AGREEMENT AND WALKED AWAY. CPCA LEADERSHIP THEN WORKED WITH THE LOCAL ANC TO ENGAGE WITH NEW GIANT MANAGEMENT IN THE 2005 TIME FRAME, WHICH RESULTED IN A PLAN TO REDEVELOP TWO BLOCKS AT THE GIANT SITE WHICH MET WITH SUPPORT BY THESE GROUPS AND THE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, A YEAR LATER GIANT CAME BACK WITH YET ANOTHER PROPOSAL, WHICH BUSTED EXISTING ZONING AT THE SITE. MANY IN THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING CPCA, THEN OPPOSED PORTIONS OF THE PLAN WHICH VIOLATED ZONING. IT' TOO BAD THAT CPHS STAYED OUT OF DESIGN REVIEW. EVEN MANY OF THOSE WHO SUPPORTED THE CATHEDRAL COMMONS PLAN NOW CONCEDE THAT THE DESIGN IS UNINSPIRED AND CHEAP-LOOKING.


have for over 20 years, created and enforced the Commercial Overlay, which has limited free market leasing opportunity in Cleveland Park - both the Connecticut Avenue strip and the Wisconsin-Newark area.
SEVERAL COMMERCIAL SPACES PERMITTED FOR RESTAURANTS UNDER THE OVERLAY ARE EMPTY. THE ISSUE IS NOT THE OVERLAY, BUT RATHER HIGH RENTS DEMANDED BY REIT LANDLORDS WHO WANT CORPORATE GUARANTEES OF LEASES, WHICH DISFAVOR INDEPENDENT RESTAURANTS AND OTHER BUSINESSES.
They have fought to keep the dangerous service lane instead of very wide sidewalks that were ironically there before the 1950's, they stifled the attempts to create a Cleveland Park Farmers Market and the list goes on.
LEAVE FAKE NEWS TO TRUMP. CPCA IS WORKING TO SPONSOR A FARMERS MARKET. t people who understand what these organizations are about have declined membership to the point that at this point, the organizations have a handful of longtime members and very little representation from people who live on the Avenues or newer families with younger kids. Most newer (and by this I mean people who have lived in the neighborhood since 1995 so still long time residents) favor these things but don't want to bother fighting the 40+ year residents any longer.
THIS IS A TIRED OLD REFRAIN. IN FACT, IN LAST NOVEMBER'S ELECTION, A VOCAL 'FREE MARKET' CANDIDATE WHO OPPOSED THE COMMERCIAL OVERLAYS, WANTED DENSE UPZONING OF THE COMMERCIAL AREAS RAN FOR ANC, AND LOST. BIG TIME.

So when Hearst Pool opponents cite the support of the CPCA and the CPHS against the pool, it is siding with decades old scars of fighting for the neighborhood to evolve to enjoy the assets that other parts of the city have enjoyed - public pools, improve commercial areas etc. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH A PUBLIC POOL, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH SACRIFICING HEARST'S PLAYING FIELD, TENNIS COURTS AND WONDERFUL TREE CANOPY TO GET ONE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ARRAY OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE POOLS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA (WILSON, JELLEFF, GEORGETOWN, CP CLUB, BEAUVOIR, ETC.0

So when Dino moved to Shaw 5 years ago, he cited better foot traffic to grow his business. That property sat empty for years and is now a 7-11. With the Walgreens and super sized CVS, a 7-11 is not something that helps enhance the commercial area, so I suspect the PP was making that reference. ISN'T THIS THE 'FREE MARKET' THAT YOU TOUT?! AND REITS LOVE 7-11'S BALANCE SHEET OVER JOE'S NEIGHBORHOOD BISTRO. The fact is, the Cleveland Park commercial area is tired and when the older residents have to enact protectionist policies to ensure a lamp repair store and tired restaurants get meager business, then there is a problem.
IF A LAMP STORE SURVIVES WHEN DINO DOESN'T, ISN'T THAT A REFLECTION OF FREE MARKET SUPPLY AND DEMAND?

I call B.S. See CAPS above.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2017 08:20     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The polling showed an overwhelming support for the pool, despite the opponents efforts to stack the votes against it. The neighborhood groups are pariahs that no one listens to.


"Pariahs"? Both neighborhood organizations have substantial membership. I suspect that you don't actually live in Cleveland Park, so stop claiming to speak for what the neighborhood wants or doesn't want?


These are many of the same people that mark it difficult for businesses to survive on the commercial strip. Enjoy that 7-11.


Huh?


DP here: the CPCA and the CPHS fought Cathedral Commons for 15 years, have for over 20 years, created and enforced the Commercial Overlay, which has limited free market leasing opportunity in Cleveland Park - both the Connecticut Avenue strip and the Wisconsin-Newark area. They have fought to keep the dangerous service lane instead of very wide sidewalks that were ironically there before the 1950's, they stifled the attempts to create a Cleveland Park Farmers Market and the list goes on. Most people who understand what these organizations are about have declined membership to the point that at this point, the organizations have a handful of longtime members and very little representation from people who live on the Avenues or newer families with younger kids. Most newer (and by this I mean people who have lived in the neighborhood since 1995 so still long time residents) favor these things but don't want to bother fighting the 40+ year residents any longer. So when Hearst Pool opponents cite the support of the CPCA and the CPHS against the pool, it is siding with decades old scars of fighting for the neighborhood to evolve to enjoy the assets that other parts of the city have enjoyed - public pools, improve commercial areas etc.

So when Dino moved to Shaw 5 years ago, he cited better foot traffic to grow his business. That property sat empty for years and is now a 7-11. With the Walgreens and super sized CVS, a 7-11 is not something that helps enhance the commercial area, so I suspect the PP was making that reference. The fact is, the Cleveland Park commercial area is tired and when the older residents have to enact protectionist policies to ensure a lamp repair store and tired restaurants get meager business, then there is a problem.
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2017 22:39     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Many observers around the District Building feel that Cheh won't run for the Council again. Cheh has also said that she was surprised at the degree of neighborhood opposition to the Hearst pool. The pool proposal is unlikely to survive the studies that the DC government now concedes it will have to do. Even if the studies don't kill the pool outright, it will likely fade away as Cheh leaves the Council.
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2017 22:34     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The polling showed an overwhelming support for the pool, despite the opponents efforts to stack the votes against it. The neighborhood groups are pariahs that no one listens to.


"Pariahs"? Both neighborhood organizations have substantial membership. I suspect that you don't actually live in Cleveland Park, so stop claiming to speak for what the neighborhood wants or doesn't want?


These are many of the same people that mark it difficult for businesses to survive on the commercial strip. Enjoy that 7-11.


Huh?
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2017 19:53     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The polling showed an overwhelming support for the pool, despite the opponents efforts to stack the votes against it. The neighborhood groups are pariahs that no one listens to.


"Pariahs"? Both neighborhood organizations have substantial membership. I suspect that you don't actually live in Cleveland Park, so stop claiming to speak for what the neighborhood wants or doesn't want?


These are many of the same people that mark it difficult for businesses to survive on the commercial strip. Enjoy that 7-11.
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2017 18:08     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Why do people think DC residents with great public pools in their own neighborhoods would drive or metro to a Hearst pool?

That is just plain silly. The whole point of the pool is for a place for people to swim laps, get cool in the summer heat and hang out with friends and neighbors.

Anonymous
Post 04/01/2017 11:56     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
The "horrid" "pariahs" poster needs to chill, big time!
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2017 11:54     Subject: Hearst Playground story in Current
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There isn't room for a pool on the upper area so I wouldn't worry about that. An outdoor pool down below would be a great asset for the community.


Make no mistake, any pool will immediately turn into a draw for visitors from all Wards. Just like the spray parks at Livingston and Lafayette.


And that is bad becaaaaaaaaaaause?....: ..............................?

Are those "visitors" unworthy?


Hearst park already draws users from outside the immediate neighborhood. Just look how heavily used the soccer field is, by Stoddert teams and others. People object to losing useful recreational facilities like the full-sized field and the tennis courts for a cyclone-fenced enclosure that will be closed and dark 9 months out of the year.