Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:35     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

If it is not a person, why regulate it at all. What other medical procedures are denied by states?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:35     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:Let's take away a man's sperm . There is no right to that in the Constitution. Vesectamies for all


The draft opinion does not support state mandated sterilization. Did you think this was a powerful rhetorical argument?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:34     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Let's take away a man's sperm . There is no right to that in the Constitution. Vesectamies for all
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:33     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am conservative; I don’t believe in abortion; I would have no issue living in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion (though I would certainly support carve outs).

That being said, I hope this opinion is amended. I am tired of the culture wars. I value the American center and I feel that both “sides” would be well advised to resist stomping on hot button issues in this period of time that feels perilously fractious.


But allowing for carve outs defeats the whole purpose of “life begins at conception” doesn’t it? Either it’s a life or it isn’t. Doesn’t matter how it starts (rape, incest, etc).


Look. If that is your belief, don't ever get an abortion. Don't force your belief on me. Leave these decisions to the women making them.


Respectfully that’s not really a persuasive argument.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:31     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am conservative; I don’t believe in abortion; I would have no issue living in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion (though I would certainly support carve outs).

That being said, I hope this opinion is amended. I am tired of the culture wars. I value the American center and I feel that both “sides” would be well advised to resist stomping on hot button issues in this period of time that feels perilously fractious.


But allowing for carve outs defeats the whole purpose of “life begins at conception” doesn’t it? Either it’s a life or it isn’t. Doesn’t matter how it starts (rape, incest, etc).


Look. If that is your belief, don't ever get an abortion. Don't force your belief on me. Leave these decisions to the women making them.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:31     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am conservative; I don’t believe in abortion; I would have no issue living in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion (though I would certainly support carve outs).

That being said, I hope this opinion is amended. I am tired of the culture wars. I value the American center and I feel that both “sides” would be well advised to resist stomping on hot button issues in this period of time that feels perilously fractious.


But allowing for carve outs defeats the whole purpose of “life begins at conception” doesn’t it? Either it’s a life or it isn’t. Doesn’t matter how it starts (rape, incest, etc).


Not really. If Alito viewed the fetus as a person, he would have to ban abortion not leave it to the legislature. His argument is based on the absence of a constitutional right of the mother.

I will not tell a woman to carry a rape to term. For me that’s out of bounds.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:28     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am conservative; I don’t believe in abortion; I would have no issue living in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion (though I would certainly support carve outs).

That being said, I hope this opinion is amended. I am tired of the culture wars. I value the American center and I feel that both “sides” would be well advised to resist stomping on hot button issues in this period of time that feels perilously fractious.


I am a conservative as well.
I hope it stands. This is not a decision for SCOTUS and never has been. This is an issue that should be legislated.

I have heard many ask why 9 unelected people get to make decisions like this. Well, that is exactly what happened when Roe was decided. This court seems to be seeing the danger in the court making these decisions. Leave it to the legislature.


Well, I respect your view. I don’t think anyone seriously believes the Roe was based on any constitutional analysis - let alone sound analysis. I wish people could calmly proceed to their state legislatures ….. my fear is they cannot. Time will tell.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:27     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Why should legislatures or the supreme Court get to decide someone's basic human rights that are guaranteed to them in the Constitution?. I have a right to life myself. You know I am a person
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:26     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:I am conservative; I don’t believe in abortion; I would have no issue living in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion (though I would certainly support carve outs).

That being said, I hope this opinion is amended. I am tired of the culture wars. I value the American center and I feel that both “sides” would be well advised to resist stomping on hot button issues in this period of time that feels perilously fractious.


But allowing for carve outs defeats the whole purpose of “life begins at conception” doesn’t it? Either it’s a life or it isn’t. Doesn’t matter how it starts (rape, incest, etc).
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:25     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:I am conservative; I don’t believe in abortion; I would have no issue living in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion (though I would certainly support carve outs).

That being said, I hope this opinion is amended. I am tired of the culture wars. I value the American center and I feel that both “sides” would be well advised to resist stomping on hot button issues in this period of time that feels perilously fractious.


I am a conservative as well.
I hope it stands. This is not a decision for SCOTUS and never has been. This is an issue that should be legislated.

I have heard many ask why 9 unelected people get to make decisions like this. Well, that is exactly what happened when Roe was decided. This court seems to be seeing the danger in the court making these decisions. Leave it to the legislature.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:21     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We need to have more access to what is going on the supreme court. These people are very powerful with a lot of power over myself, my family.....all of us. I am glad for getting to see this document and think it a better idea that we all get to see the journey all these opinions go through. This should not be secret.


+1

Shine some sunlight on that whole racket.



Of course you think this. You are liberals. You believe that the decisions of the Supreme Court should be impacted by the mob. You think that the angry protests should make a difference in how the court decides cases.

Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:21     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

I am conservative; I don’t believe in abortion; I would have no issue living in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion (though I would certainly support carve outs).

That being said, I hope this opinion is amended. I am tired of the culture wars. I value the American center and I feel that both “sides” would be well advised to resist stomping on hot button issues in this period of time that feels perilously fractious.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:14     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:We need to have more access to what is going on the supreme court. These people are very powerful with a lot of power over myself, my family.....all of us. I am glad for getting to see this document and think it a better idea that we all get to see the journey all these opinions go through. This should not be secret.


+1

Shine some sunlight on that whole racket.

Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:13     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:It disturbs me that the severe pain of childbirth is left entirely out of the abortion debate. Forcing someone to go through that experience, ignoring all other aspects of forced pregnancy and parenthood, is literal torture. It is traumatizing for many women who voluntarily give birth to healthy babies with a smooth delivery. It’s an immense amount of suffering.

Just wanted to point out that the handmaiden on the court, the middle finger to intelligent women everywhere, said pregnancy and childbirth are no big deal.

I completely agree with you. No one should have to undertake that unless they want it.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2022 07:09     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:Have we discussed a right-wing journalist naming a random SCOTUS clerk as the leaker based on nothing but pure speculation (because she has a gender studies degree)? I think the person who leaked should be fired/disbarred but I'm not sure we should be naming random people as the leaker.

Not really but we should. It’s obviously another right wing hatchet job and they’re going to see if they can get some liberals killed in the bargain.

My money’s on the Thomases or ACB. She is in a literal cult and is arguably the least qualified/most crazy.