Anonymous
07/26/2021 15:20
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:This is so obvious, and yet is met with so much obfuscation!Anonymous wrote:The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.
It's so goofy that this is difficult for you to understand: If the cases are low, there is little to spread. If vaccinations are high, that makes cases lower, meaning there will be less to spread. Delta is not the bogeyman you are making it to be. Delta is still more transmissible, yes, but vaccination rates and case rates still matter a lot.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 15:09
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.
Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?
I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.
All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.
The delta variant is more contagious, but in the past day or so I've seen quotes from pediatric infectious disease specialists saying that the delta variant is not necessarily resulting in a more severe case of COVID than either original COVID or other variants, though it is early.
If that is not correct, can you point to the information on severity?
And before this potentially goes off the rails, I'm not saying I want anyone's kid with underlying health conditions (or anyone else) to get COVID or denying that MIS-C exists.
Well a 5 year old with no underlying conditions just died of Delta…
A 5 year old did die. In northern Georgia, where their vaccination rate is incredibly low, less than 20% in some counties. The articles that I've read also don't tell if the immediate family members were vaccination - just that the dad at the time of the article was coughing from also having covid. And the boy died of a stoke. Not saying covid wasn't the catalyst, but there's also a lot of information missing.
The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.
And yet, children are in the vast, vast majority of cases, not at risk of harm. The only people at risk are unvaccinated adults. That's their problem.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 15:04
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
This is so obvious, and yet is met with so much obfuscation!Anonymous wrote:The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 14:56
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.
Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?
I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.
All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.
The delta variant is more contagious, but in the past day or so I've seen quotes from pediatric infectious disease specialists saying that the delta variant is not necessarily resulting in a more severe case of COVID than either original COVID or other variants, though it is early.
If that is not correct, can you point to the information on severity?
And before this potentially goes off the rails, I'm not saying I want anyone's kid with underlying health conditions (or anyone else) to get COVID or denying that MIS-C exists.
Well a 5 year old with no underlying conditions just died of Delta…
A 5 year old did die. In northern Georgia, where their vaccination rate is incredibly low, less than 20% in some counties. The articles that I've read also don't tell if the immediate family members were vaccination - just that the dad at the time of the article was coughing from also having covid. And the boy died of a stoke. Not saying covid wasn't the catalyst, but there's also a lot of information missing.
The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 14:19
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.
So most elementary aged children -
back in DC at least 1 week before school starts
Not going to DE beaches
Not doing travel sports
Not visiting family outside of MD and VA
Not going skiing / tubing in PA
Is giving those up for 6 months until they're vaccinated such a big deal?
Do you really think those items are necessary to children's mental health? Sheesh.
You can't guarantee that timeline.
But yes, I think seeing out of the DMV family is important. If adults can travel then the rule does nothing to keep anyone safe.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 14:19
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.
So most elementary aged children -
back in DC at least 1 week before school starts
Not going to DE beaches
Not doing travel sports
Not visiting family outside of MD and VA
Not going skiing / tubing in PA
Is giving those up for 6 months until they're vaccinated such a big deal?
Do you really think those items are necessary to children's mental health? Sheesh.
Most of these are outdoor activities. Why should people have to give them up?
Anonymous
07/26/2021 14:17
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now that there is more information on what the future school year might look like, including the 10 day quarantine for outside travel, is anyone pulling out?
What impact does that have on the schools?
Did anyone’s school enforce this last year? Our school did not. If there is no enforcement this is meaningless.
I don’t think anyone did. I teach in the suburbs and no one even mentioned a quarantine except after spring break, but the division closed anyhow. My kids charter didn’t seem to care either.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 13:59
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.
So most elementary aged children -
back in DC at least 1 week before school starts
Not going to DE beaches
Not doing travel sports
Not visiting family outside of MD and VA
Not going skiing / tubing in PA
Is giving those up for 6 months until they're vaccinated such a big deal?
Do you really think those items are necessary to children's mental health? Sheesh.
Maybe not tubing, but yeah some people have important family obligations. And then besides that...is doing an outside sport over the border in PA really more dangerous than going to an arcade in the Eastern Shore? How many times do we have to talk about this.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 13:51
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.
So most elementary aged children -
back in DC at least 1 week before school starts
Not going to DE beaches
Not doing travel sports
Not visiting family outside of MD and VA
Not going skiing / tubing in PA
Is giving those up for 6 months until they're vaccinated such a big deal?
Do you really think those items are necessary to children's mental health? Sheesh.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 13:45
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.
So most elementary aged children -
back in DC at least 1 week before school starts
Not going to DE beaches
Not doing travel sports
Not visiting family outside of MD and VA
Not going skiing / tubing in PA
And we know that there is no way this will happen. None. So - the risk will be present - always - because folks are simply not going to comply.
As someone who complied entirely with the travel quarantine rules all last school year (including cutting short a spring break beach trip to Delaware and keeping kids home from school for two days after an outside-only visit to family in New York), I don't actually think the risk will be any higher if people don't comply with these rules than if they do. Rates are rising all over the place, but still far lower than they were most of 2020. If someone wants to go to the beach in August, I'm not particularly worried about what it'll mean for my kids' risk when they're all back in school.
Anonymous
07/26/2021 12:38
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now that there is more information on what the future school year might look like, including the 10 day quarantine for outside travel, is anyone pulling out?
What impact does that have on the schools?
Did anyone’s school enforce this last year? Our school did not. If there is no enforcement this is meaningless.
This is what I'm hoping for.
Anonymous
07/25/2021 23:20
Subject: Re:Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anyone else wonder if “SOI” was a charter you’d never heard of?
Anonymous
07/25/2021 20:38
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Now that there is more information on what the future school year might look like, including the 10 day quarantine for outside travel, is anyone pulling out?
What impact does that have on the schools?
Did anyone’s school enforce this last year? Our school did not. If there is no enforcement this is meaningless.
Anonymous
07/25/2021 16:17
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.
You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.
You can’t compare non-Delta, shut down schools, masks and other mitigation measures # of kids who die to car accidents and say “we will be totally fine when schools reopen with packed classrooms because so few kids died of COVID in totally different circumstances!”
+1.
+2!
Anonymous
07/25/2021 16:05
Subject: Soi.....Who is pulling out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.
You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.
You can’t compare non-Delta, shut down schools, masks and other mitigation measures # of kids who die to car accidents and say “we will be totally fine when schools reopen with packed classrooms because so few kids died of COVID in totally different circumstances!”
+1.