Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 13:59     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am shocked at the 530 and 600 times! I think 700 is reasonable but you have to actually train to run a mile to get those times. Sure its doable, but why? Its not reflective of soccer ability.


Most high level U13 boys teams can get their entire roster under or very close to six minutes by mid-season. No, it is not required to have constant motion and be able to run a six minute mile. But, generally, a team that has this level of endurance and speed is going to have an advantage come the 50th minute. Anyone can play hard for 15-20 minutes. Who is playing at full capacity for 70 to 90 - that's where the difference lies in soccer. It is not an endurance running skill that is required, but rather an endurance mentality and overall fitness. A basic requirement for soccer is to be in shape. To the parent who says their daughter is stressed by having to run two miles in 16 minutes - your daughter is not cut out for ECNL or really travel soccer at all, if this is true.


Next time you're at a game, please video the kids running at a constant 7:30 pace and post the link


Nobody said the actual game was played at that constant pace. Neither is basketball. Neither is football. The difference between soccer and every other sport out there is there are no timeouts. You might not need to run for five minutes at a time, or you could need to be on your horse nonstop. But, you're going to need to bust your ass for 70-90 minutes. So, if you can't run six to twelve minutes at a decent pace, you're not in game shape for high level soccer. It's that simple. Find me an elite soccer player who can't run back to back six minute miles. They don't exist.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 13:53     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a competitive distance runner that also played soccer at a high level... the cut should be 7:30 or slower for both genders.

Honestly the test should be a fast 200m time and a reasonable 10K time, if we're really trying to weed out players correctly.


10K???


6.2mi, which would be close to what most would run during a full 90min's (7mi is the average). If we're testing endurance, running a 10K with a slightly above average cut off seems fair. Hence testing sprint speed (100m or 200m) and endurance. 1mi is a garbage metric for something like soccer.


Soccer has walking, jogging, running and sprinting to make up the 'distance covered'

Yes, you need foundation endurance, but soccer is about speed endurance.
Run/Recover quickly
Sprint/Recover quickly
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 13:50     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am shocked at the 530 and 600 times! I think 700 is reasonable but you have to actually train to run a mile to get those times. Sure its doable, but why? Its not reflective of soccer ability.


Most high level U13 boys teams can get their entire roster under or very close to six minutes by mid-season. No, it is not required to have constant motion and be able to run a six minute mile. But, generally, a team that has this level of endurance and speed is going to have an advantage come the 50th minute. Anyone can play hard for 15-20 minutes. Who is playing at full capacity for 70 to 90 - that's where the difference lies in soccer. It is not an endurance running skill that is required, but rather an endurance mentality and overall fitness. A basic requirement for soccer is to be in shape. To the parent who says their daughter is stressed by having to run two miles in 16 minutes - your daughter is not cut out for ECNL or really travel soccer at all, if this is true.


Next time you're at a game, please video the kids running at a constant 7:30 pace and post the link
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 13:07     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a competitive distance runner that also played soccer at a high level... the cut should be 7:30 or slower for both genders.

Honestly the test should be a fast 200m time and a reasonable 10K time, if we're really trying to weed out players correctly.


10K???


6.2mi, which would be close to what most would run during a full 90min's (7mi is the average). If we're testing endurance, running a 10K with a slightly above average cut off seems fair. Hence testing sprint speed (100m or 200m) and endurance. 1mi is a garbage metric for something like soccer.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 13:05     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:I am shocked at the 530 and 600 times! I think 700 is reasonable but you have to actually train to run a mile to get those times. Sure its doable, but why? Its not reflective of soccer ability.


Most high level U13 boys teams can get their entire roster under or very close to six minutes by mid-season. No, it is not required to have constant motion and be able to run a six minute mile. But, generally, a team that has this level of endurance and speed is going to have an advantage come the 50th minute. Anyone can play hard for 15-20 minutes. Who is playing at full capacity for 70 to 90 - that's where the difference lies in soccer. It is not an endurance running skill that is required, but rather an endurance mentality and overall fitness. A basic requirement for soccer is to be in shape. To the parent who says their daughter is stressed by having to run two miles in 16 minutes - your daughter is not cut out for ECNL or really travel soccer at all, if this is true.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 12:59     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
I am shocked at the 530 and 600 times! I think 700 is reasonable but you have to actually train to run a mile to get those times. Sure its doable, but why? Its not reflective of soccer ability.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 12:54     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
The timed mile was 6:30 at my freshman’s soccer tryouts.

Prob abt a third (who made the freshmen team) made that time. The rest were close or at least made it under 7:00. A kid that has played a sport that has cardio in it won’t have a hard time making that time already, or with a little training over the summer.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 12:06     Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:These one mile and two mile runs are completely stupid. There are no premier teams that incorporate either into their tryouts. Only High School teams do this. I went through this with all three of my kids. My youngest is dealing with it today. She has to run 2 miles in under 16 minutes. This is a girl who plays holding mid for an ECNL team and rarely if ever comes out of a game. She is a high endurance kid. The two mile run put unnecessary mental and physical stress on a young athlete and should not be allowed. This isn’t track it’s soccer.soccer is a sprint recovery game, not a distance runner game. I know some people will say you run 3-5 miles a game, but not all at once.


Seriously? smh
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 11:55     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:As a competitive distance runner that also played soccer at a high level... the cut should be 7:30 or slower for both genders.

Honestly the test should be a fast 200m time and a reasonable 10K time, if we're really trying to weed out players correctly.


10K???
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 11:37     Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
can I have my daughter join team?
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 11:30     Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:These one mile and two mile runs are completely stupid. There are no premier teams that incorporate either into their tryouts. Only High School teams do this. I went through this with all three of my kids. My youngest is dealing with it today. She has to run 2 miles in under 16 minutes. This is a girl who plays holding mid for an ECNL team and rarely if ever comes out of a game. She is a high endurance kid. The two mile run put unnecessary mental and physical stress on a young athlete and should not be allowed. This isn’t track it’s soccer.soccer is a sprint recovery game, not a distance runner game. I know some people will say you run 3-5 miles a game, but not all at once.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.


Premier teams INVITE players to try out. High schools is an open call.
Timed runs eliminate players.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 11:28     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
One or 2 miles at a 7:30 or 8:00 pace seems like a reasonable minimum required filter for fitness. I don't think anything faster than that is productive as a requirement to make the team.

Here are two quotes on running from Johan Cruyff:

“Every trainer talks about movement, about running a lot. I say don't run so much. Football is a game you play with your brain. You have to be in the right place at the right moment, not too early, not too late.”

"My forwards only need to run 15 meters, unless they’re either stupid or asleep"
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 10:09     Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
As a competitive distance runner that also played soccer at a high level... the cut should be 7:30 or slower for both genders.

Honestly the test should be a fast 200m time and a reasonable 10K time, if we're really trying to weed out players correctly.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 09:48     Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
If your daughter plays ECNL, she is at least 12 or 13. If she can't run two miles in under 16 minutes by that age, she has no business playing at a high level. Sorry, you might think it's stupid, but this is not baseball or softball where you show up with a beer belly and still succeed. Even GKs should be able to hit that time easily. If they don't, they are injured or just sat on the couch all summer. Nowhere in Europe or South America would you hear this kind of drivel about how my kid has to run a relatively easy distance in a very easy time. Suck it up and run.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 09:38     Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
These one mile and two mile runs are completely stupid. There are no premier teams that incorporate either into their tryouts. Only High School teams do this. I went through this with all three of my kids. My youngest is dealing with it today. She has to run 2 miles in under 16 minutes. This is a girl who plays holding mid for an ECNL team and rarely if ever comes out of a game. She is a high endurance kid. The two mile run put unnecessary mental and physical stress on a young athlete and should not be allowed. This isn’t track it’s soccer.soccer is a sprint recovery game, not a distance runner game. I know some people will say you run 3-5 miles a game, but not all at once.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.


Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.



what about goalie


Most are also good field players (assuming you aren’t referring to the fat kid who gets stuck there around U10