Getting an ID requires multiple other documents. I've lived in the same place for 2 decades, in the same city for 3 and a half decades, and own my home. I was married once and born in another state. I had lost track of birth and marriage records some years ago along with SS card--disappeared during a remodel. It took awhile to gather all those documents to renew my drivers license (read ID, which is now required for voting where I live)--and I already had my existing drivers license to help obtain them. The birth certificate could only be ordered by mail, from a state that (btw) sends out drivers licenses by mail (which takes a few weeks) rather than issuing them at the DOT location. Then an appointment (started pre-covid because otherwise you could wait in line all day) which meant finding an open slot. It would have been much more complicated if I had not already had ID or if I had been married more than once. I have a friend who needed his birth certificate--from New Orleans--and I know he went for months trying (from out of state) with no luck.

You can cash a check in a small town where everyone knows you if that's where you live. In fact, I have cashed checks in the small town where my brother lives and where my parents lived when they were alive, because the lady at the grocery store started there when she was a teenager (we are about the same age). I only make it for a visit once a year but still can do it. There are older people who have had the same back account they started before ID requirements and who don't drive and, living in an area like that, have no need for a state ID.

Native Americans have a particularly hard time, as reservation addresses often do not meet voter ID requirements. A lot of poor people move around a lot due to unstable housing. In North Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp won partly because there was a large turnout of Native American voters, who are a larger percentage of the population than many other states. When she ran again after the Kavanaugh business, upgraded voter ID requirements created huge problems for both college students and Native American voters, disenfranchising many of them.

You can get benefits like food stamps without ID or birth certificate. Laws and regs allow programs to use other means of verifying identity for the very reason that ID documents may be lacking. And what happens if the wallet with the ID is lost or stolen shortly before the election? The time it can take to replace the ID can be longer than required for election certification even if you cast a provisional ballot.

There are ample records in southern states especially demonstrating that the PURPOSE of voter ID laws and other restrictions was to limit black voting.

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

I lean towards the left side of the political spectrum and wholeheartedly agree. More in the sense that it adds validation to the process. Seriously, it's just logical.

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Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

It is a right for CITIZENS. Presenting an ID proves you have the right (well, it did, until leftists started issuing driver's licenses to illegals)

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Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?

If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.

What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?

Not one Republican has addressed these points.

Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.

The immigration situation has not changed so much since the early 2000s when Bush wanted to offer a kind of amnesty.

Nothing has changed significantly in 20 years except for Republicans losing power unless they gerrymander and restrict voting

Instead of saying something is irrelevant and stupid, how about you explain what has changed so drastically that we suddenly need these laws. I really doubt you're going to find any facts to support the argument but I would listen if you tried

The immigration situation absolutely has changed. The number of people present illegally has changed considerably. Democrats have gone out of their way to ensure that we cannot accurately track the number of illegal immigrants currently in our country. And, in some jurisdiction, they are allowed to vote in local elections.

We want to ensure that only those legally qualified to vote do so. Yes, it is that simple.

No, it really hasn't and Democrats have done nothing of the sort. Stop watching Fox News, you are spouting bad information.

Yes, it has.

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates

And, yes, Dems have been successful in ensuring we don't have an accurate count.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?

If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.

What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?

Not one Republican has addressed these points.

Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.

The immigration situation has not changed so much since the early 2000s when Bush wanted to offer a kind of amnesty.

Nothing has changed significantly in 20 years except for Republicans losing power unless they gerrymander and restrict voting

Instead of saying something is irrelevant and stupid, how about you explain what has changed so drastically that we suddenly need these laws. I really doubt you're going to find any facts to support the argument but I would listen if you tried

Or since 1981 when Reagan did the same.

Reagan's deal had the stipulation that our southern border be secured. It wasn't. No more amnesty until we have a secured border.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?

If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.

What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?

Not one Republican has addressed these points.

Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.

The immigration situation has not changed so much since the early 2000s when Bush wanted to offer a kind of amnesty.

Nothing has changed significantly in 20 years except for Republicans losing power unless they gerrymander and restrict voting

Instead of saying something is irrelevant and stupid, how about you explain what has changed so drastically that we suddenly need these laws. I really doubt you're going to find any facts to support the argument but I would listen if you tried

The immigration situation absolutely has changed. The number of people present illegally has changed considerably. Democrats have gone out of their way to ensure that we cannot accurately track the number of illegal immigrants currently in our country. And, in some jurisdiction, they are allowed to vote in local elections.

We want to ensure that only those legally qualified to vote do so. Yes, it is that simple.

No, it really hasn't and Democrats have done nothing of the sort. Stop watching Fox News, you are spouting bad information.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?

If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.

What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?

Not one Republican has addressed these points.

Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.

The immigration situation has not changed so much since the early 2000s when Bush wanted to offer a kind of amnesty.

Nothing has changed significantly in 20 years except for Republicans losing power unless they gerrymander and restrict voting

Instead of saying something is irrelevant and stupid, how about you explain what has changed so drastically that we suddenly need these laws. I really doubt you're going to find any facts to support the argument but I would listen if you tried

Or since 1981 when Reagan did the same.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?

If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.

What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?

Not one Republican has addressed these points.

Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.

The immigration situation has not changed so much since the early 2000s when Bush wanted to offer a kind of amnesty.

Nothing has changed significantly in 20 years except for Republicans losing power unless they gerrymander and restrict voting

Instead of saying something is irrelevant and stupid, how about you explain what has changed so drastically that we suddenly need these laws. I really doubt you're going to find any facts to support the argument but I would listen if you tried

The immigration situation absolutely has changed. The number of people present illegally has changed considerably. Democrats have gone out of their way to ensure that we cannot accurately track the number of illegal immigrants currently in our country. And, in some jurisdiction, they are allowed to vote in local elections.

We want to ensure that only those legally qualified to vote do so. Yes, it is that simple.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?

If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.

What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?

Not one Republican has addressed these points.

Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.

The immigration situation has not changed so much since the early 2000s when Bush wanted to offer a kind of amnesty.

Nothing has changed significantly in 20 years except for Republicans losing power unless they gerrymander and restrict voting

Instead of saying something is irrelevant and stupid, how about you explain what has changed so drastically that we suddenly need these laws. I really doubt you're going to find any facts to support the argument but I would listen if you tried

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Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?

Or only black people somehow can't make it to the DMV, but white people can?

Google a map in the south of the DMV locations and superimpose the map with where the communities are majority AA. You will see the problem.

If you are making a statement that "only the black people somehow can't make it to the DMV" then you have clearly never experienced the problem. Glad you are enjoying your privilege.

So now it's only about the black people living in the South who can't make it to the DMV, but can somehow find a way to make it everywhere else they need to go to. But the poor white people have no problem making it to the DMV? This is almost as ridiculous as the "can't find my birth certificate" excuse. lol

Millions and millions of people in this country, for multiple reasons, do not have access to basic services.
Numerous people never had birth certificates, and therefore cannot “find” them because there are no birth certificates to find.
Literally no one in this long and tedious thread has made statements about what “poor white people” have “no problem” doing — although it has been pointed out numerous times that laws have been framed to disproportionately impact Blacks and other people of color.

DP

Cry me a river. How can take they make it to the polling location every other year, but can't seem to make it to the DMV in the last 10 years ( or however long a state ID is valid for)?

See my earlier post about my ill father, the WWII Marine.

Why are you determined to be so ignorant?

We knew all along why you are triggered. You don't really care about white people not voting. It's only because you believe black people are disproportionately impacted.

Umm. Black people in this country have traditionally been abused and disenfranchised.

Ruby Bridges, who was screamed at and spat on just for going to a school with white children, is not even elderly.

Don’t pretend that the way black people have been treated in this country is ancient history. Such garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?

Or only black people somehow can't make it to the DMV, but white people can?

Google a map in the south of the DMV locations and superimpose the map with where the communities are majority AA. You will see the problem.

If you are making a statement that "only the black people somehow can't make it to the DMV" then you have clearly never experienced the problem. Glad you are enjoying your privilege.

So now it's only about the black people living in the South who can't make it to the DMV, but can somehow find a way to make it everywhere else they need to go to. But the poor white people have no problem making it to the DMV? This is almost as ridiculous as the "can't find my birth certificate" excuse. lol

Millions and millions of people in this country, for multiple reasons, do not have access to basic services.
Numerous people never had birth certificates, and therefore cannot “find” them because there are no birth certificates to find.
Literally no one in this long and tedious thread has made statements about what “poor white people” have “no problem” doing — although it has been pointed out numerous times that laws have been framed to disproportionately impact Blacks and other people of color.

DP

Cry me a river. How can take they make it to the polling location every other year, but can't seem to make it to the DMV in the last 10 years ( or however long a state ID is valid for)?

Maybe some are lucky enough to live in a jurisdiction that still has far more local polling places than statewide DMVs. That sounds like the kind of question that someone who never actually voted in person before would ask. Or someone who lives under a rock. Or someone who lives under a bridge with the rest of the trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?

Or only black people somehow can't make it to the DMV, but white people can?

Google a map in the south of the DMV locations and superimpose the map with where the communities are majority AA. You will see the problem.

If you are making a statement that "only the black people somehow can't make it to the DMV" then you have clearly never experienced the problem. Glad you are enjoying your privilege.

So now it's only about the black people living in the South who can't make it to the DMV, but can somehow find a way to make it everywhere else they need to go to. But the poor white people have no problem making it to the DMV? This is almost as ridiculous as the "can't find my birth certificate" excuse. lol

Millions and millions of people in this country, for multiple reasons, do not have access to basic services.
Numerous people never had birth certificates, and therefore cannot “find” them because there are no birth certificates to find.
Literally no one in this long and tedious thread has made statements about what “poor white people” have “no problem” doing — although it has been pointed out numerous times that laws have been framed to disproportionately impact Blacks and other people of color.

DP

Cry me a river. How can take they make it to the polling location every other year, but can't seem to make it to the DMV in the last 10 years ( or however long a state ID is valid for)?

See my earlier post about my ill father, the WWII Marine.

Why are you determined to be so ignorant?

We knew all along why you are triggered. You don't really care about white people not voting. It's only because you believe black people are disproportionately impacted.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?

And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.

We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.

There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.

What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP

Then, why are you against full background checks on ALL gun purchases, permit requirements for ALL gun purchases. Get real. The entire purpose of the GA GOP is to discourage Democratic voters from voting. In the sports world, it is called cheating! Change the rules.

Anonymous wrote:Makes more sense than making policy based on "the big lie"

Oooh I see you corrected yourself and avoided insulting people. Good job! We’re all proud of you! 👍

Makes more sense than making policy based on "the big lie"