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There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

Just give me vouchers, please. I have always been a public school supporter, but the past year has broken something.

You don’t get to defund public schools because you’re mad the pandemic didn’t go your way. It just doesn’t work like that.

If he and a majority of tax payers feel this way, then yes, it does work exactly that way.

+1. More parents vote than teachers. So you, funding, vouchers, charters. We decide. Not you. Not Kim Adams.

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Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

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+1 extra

Like really. It's ridiculous. I hate you, you're the worst person in the world, you're the downfall of society... Now take my kid for 8 hours a day.

What I think you’re missing is how many of us who are moderately liberal and HATE Betsy DeVos, but are saying we don’t trust teachers in general or FCPS at all any more and want vouchers and more private competition so we can find educational options we do have faith in. My kid is in 10th and likely stuck halfway though high school. If they were younger, they’d be out. But, like a lot of families, we’ve been stuck wishing private had been an option. And would feel a lot better if it were an option going forward.

A lot of institutions and businesses innovated because they had to. My federal agency, with Trump actively trying to destroy telework (and the DP federal government in general), was finally been dragging kicking and screaming into 2021 and has been creative and flexible in ways that have left me stunned. All of a sudden, the dumb rules disappeared, and it became “we have people who must be served, for whom we are a housing/ eviction, food/ starvation, medical care/ death resource. We have no choice but to make this work.” So we did. A year in I’m so proud of what we’ve done. It wasn’t pretty at first. We made mistakes. We hit speed bumps. But we did it. A year in, our metrics show that we are doing a much better job than we were a year ago. Think about it. The federal government not just kept functioning, but in my little corner got better, being manned by people who were also monitoring 2nd grade.

Privates and many publics found a way. No one told FCPS they had to find a way, so they did the easy thing and failed. It was hard. It was uncomfortable. So, they didn’t. All parents, not just the wealthy, should have a different choice. And vouchers frees up the money to make it happen. That’s how I vote going forward. FCPS needs to be held accountable. Free up a billion dollars in schools funds, and watch charters hold them accountable. They may not care about kids. They care a lot about per pupil funding.

You want to hold teachers accountable for decisions they didn’t make. My DW and I have been ready to teach in person since July. My employer, the school board, decided to keep my students at home.

Everyone knows that the ADA dump forced FCPS’s hand. That was a coordinated job action. That’s on the teachers. Maybe not all teachers. But several thousand.

Not several thousand, less than a couple thousand. About 15% of the staff. At least 85% of us are set and ready to go.

How many will be out due to ADA? Is it 15%? I am at a large ES and I know of one person out of the building with ADA.

Same here. Only one person in my department of about 25 people is working from home.

In grades 3-6 at my school, 10 out of 22 teachers have ADA accommodations. (Teacher)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

Just give me vouchers, please. I have always been a public school supporter, but the past year has broken something.

You don’t get to defund public schools because you’re mad the pandemic didn’t go your way. It just doesn’t work like that.

If he and a majority of tax payers feel this way, then yes, it does work exactly that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I am working harder than I ever have in FCPS. And my kids are learning. I am so so so sick of people threatening legal action because of a PANDEMIC as if we won’t want to WORK. I work 70-80 hour weeks. I truly loathe you people. You have NO idea how hard this has been and how ouch we are trying.

Any legal action isn’t about you. You need to remind yourself of that. Most teachers are working hard. This is legal action against the administration and the school board.

Nah, the actions and words of parents over the last few months suggest they’re blaming teachers as much as anyone. They want babysitters not teachers so that’s what they’re gonna get. Sue away, McLean.

McLean? Is that an implied threat to dox this poster? What gives? How many folks are actually going to post in the future with this kind of bullying going on? Will anyone come here to read these forums for a one-sided view?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

Just give me vouchers, please. I have always been a public school supporter, but the past year has broken something.

You don’t get to defund public schools because you’re mad the pandemic didn’t go your way. It just doesn’t work like that.

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Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

X 1 trillion

+1 extra

Like really. It's ridiculous. I hate you, you're the worst person in the world, you're the downfall of society... Now take my kid for 8 hours a day.

What I think you’re missing is how many of us who are moderately liberal and HATE Betsy DeVos, but are saying we don’t trust teachers in general or FCPS at all any more and want vouchers and more private competition so we can find educational options we do have faith in. My kid is in 10th and likely stuck halfway though high school. If they were younger, they’d be out. But, like a lot of families, we’ve been stuck wishing private had been an option. And would feel a lot better if it were an option going forward.

A lot of institutions and businesses innovated because they had to. My federal agency, with Trump actively trying to destroy telework (and the DP federal government in general), was finally been dragging kicking and screaming into 2021 and has been creative and flexible in ways that have left me stunned. All of a sudden, the dumb rules disappeared, and it became “we have people who must be served, for whom we are a housing/ eviction, food/ starvation, medical care/ death resource. We have no choice but to make this work.” So we did. A year in I’m so proud of what we’ve done. It wasn’t pretty at first. We made mistakes. We hit speed bumps. But we did it. A year in, our metrics show that we are doing a much better job than we were a year ago. Think about it. The federal government not just kept functioning, but in my little corner got better, being manned by people who were also monitoring 2nd grade.

Privates and many publics found a way. No one told FCPS they had to find a way, so they did the easy thing and failed. It was hard. It was uncomfortable. So, they didn’t. All parents, not just the wealthy, should have a different choice. And vouchers frees up the money to make it happen. That’s how I vote going forward. FCPS needs to be held accountable. Free up a billion dollars in schools funds, and watch charters hold them accountable. They may not care about kids. They care a lot about per pupil funding.

You want to hold teachers accountable for decisions they didn’t make. My DW and I have been ready to teach in person since July. My employer, the school board, decided to keep my students at home.

Everyone knows that the ADA dump forced FCPS’s hand. That was a coordinated job action. That’s on the teachers. Maybe not all teachers. But several thousand.

Not several thousand, less than a couple thousand. About 15% of the staff. At least 85% of us are set and ready to go.

How many will be out due to ADA? Is it 15%? I am at a large ES and I know of one person out of the building with ADA.

Same here. Only one person in my department of about 25 people is working from home.

Anonymous wrote:If a group of people could sue because of lack of education, who do you think would have standing? Hint: it wouldn't be the typical dcum crowd who can afford lawyers and whose kids go to the schools with high test scores.

That's why there is no general right to a (quality) education: because then all those families who go to schools you don't consider good enough would have the right to sue even during normal times.

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Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

X 1 trillion

+1 extra

Like really. It's ridiculous. I hate you, you're the worst person in the world, you're the downfall of society... Now take my kid for 8 hours a day.

What I think you’re missing is how many of us who are moderately liberal and HATE Betsy DeVos, but are saying we don’t trust teachers in general or FCPS at all any more and want vouchers and more private competition so we can find educational options we do have faith in. My kid is in 10th and likely stuck halfway though high school. If they were younger, they’d be out. But, like a lot of families, we’ve been stuck wishing private had been an option. And would feel a lot better if it were an option going forward.

A lot of institutions and businesses innovated because they had to. My federal agency, with Trump actively trying to destroy telework (and the DP federal government in general), was finally been dragging kicking and screaming into 2021 and has been creative and flexible in ways that have left me stunned. All of a sudden, the dumb rules disappeared, and it became “we have people who must be served, for whom we are a housing/ eviction, food/ starvation, medical care/ death resource. We have no choice but to make this work.” So we did. A year in I’m so proud of what we’ve done. It wasn’t pretty at first. We made mistakes. We hit speed bumps. But we did it. A year in, our metrics show that we are doing a much better job than we were a year ago. Think about it. The federal government not just kept functioning, but in my little corner got better, being manned by people who were also monitoring 2nd grade.

Privates and many publics found a way. No one told FCPS they had to find a way, so they did the easy thing and failed. It was hard. It was uncomfortable. So, they didn’t. All parents, not just the wealthy, should have a different choice. And vouchers frees up the money to make it happen. That’s how I vote going forward. FCPS needs to be held accountable. Free up a billion dollars in schools funds, and watch charters hold them accountable. They may not care about kids. They care a lot about per pupil funding.

You want to hold teachers accountable for decisions they didn’t make. My DW and I have been ready to teach in person since July. My employer, the school board, decided to keep my students at home.

Everyone knows that the ADA dump forced FCPS’s hand. That was a coordinated job action. That’s on the teachers. Maybe not all teachers. But several thousand.

Not several thousand, less than a couple thousand. About 15% of the staff. At least 85% of us are set and ready to go.

How many will be out due to ADA? Is it 15%? I am at a large ES and I know of one person out of the building with ADA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

X 1 trillion

+1 extra

Like really. It's ridiculous. I hate you, you're the worst person in the world, you're the downfall of society... Now take my kid for 8 hours a day.

What I think you’re missing is how many of us who are moderately liberal and HATE Betsy DeVos, but are saying we don’t trust teachers in general or FCPS at all any more and want vouchers and more private competition so we can find educational options we do have faith in. My kid is in 10th and likely stuck halfway though high school. If they were younger, they’d be out. But, like a lot of families, we’ve been stuck wishing private had been an option. And would feel a lot better if it were an option going forward.

A lot of institutions and businesses innovated because they had to. My federal agency, with Trump actively trying to destroy telework (and the DP federal government in general), was finally been dragging kicking and screaming into 2021 and has been creative and flexible in ways that have left me stunned. All of a sudden, the dumb rules disappeared, and it became “we have people who must be served, for whom we are a housing/ eviction, food/ starvation, medical care/ death resource. We have no choice but to make this work.” So we did. A year in I’m so proud of what we’ve done. It wasn’t pretty at first. We made mistakes. We hit speed bumps. But we did it. A year in, our metrics show that we are doing a much better job than we were a year ago. Think about it. The federal government not just kept functioning, but in my little corner got better, being manned by people who were also monitoring 2nd grade.

Privates and many publics found a way. No one told FCPS they had to find a way, so they did the easy thing and failed. It was hard. It was uncomfortable. So, they didn’t. All parents, not just the wealthy, should have a different choice. And vouchers frees up the money to make it happen. That’s how I vote going forward. FCPS needs to be held accountable. Free up a billion dollars in schools funds, and watch charters hold them accountable. They may not care about kids. They care a lot about per pupil funding.

You want to hold teachers accountable for decisions they didn’t make. My DW and I have been ready to teach in person since July. My employer, the school board, decided to keep my students at home.

Everyone knows that the ADA dump forced FCPS’s hand. That was a coordinated job action. That’s on the teachers. Maybe not all teachers. But several thousand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

X 1 trillion

+1 extra

Like really. It's ridiculous. I hate you, you're the worst person in the world, you're the downfall of society... Now take my kid for 8 hours a day.

What I think you’re missing is how many of us who are moderately liberal and HATE Betsy DeVos, but are saying we don’t trust teachers in general or FCPS at all any more and want vouchers and more private competition so we can find educational options we do have faith in. My kid is in 10th and likely stuck halfway though high school. If they were younger, they’d be out. But, like a lot of families, we’ve been stuck wishing private had been an option. And would feel a lot better if it were an option going forward.

A lot of institutions and businesses innovated because they had to. My federal agency, with Trump actively trying to destroy telework (and the DP federal government in general), was finally been dragging kicking and screaming into 2021 and has been creative and flexible in ways that have left me stunned. All of a sudden, the dumb rules disappeared, and it became “we have people who must be served, for whom we are a housing/ eviction, food/ starvation, medical care/ death resource. We have no choice but to make this work.” So we did. A year in I’m so proud of what we’ve done. It wasn’t pretty at first. We made mistakes. We hit speed bumps. But we did it. A year in, our metrics show that we are doing a much better job than we were a year ago. Think about it. The federal government not just kept functioning, but in my little corner got better, being manned by people who were also monitoring 2nd grade.

Privates and many publics found a way. No one told FCPS they had to find a way, so they did the easy thing and failed. It was hard. It was uncomfortable. So, they didn’t. All parents, not just the wealthy, should have a different choice. And vouchers frees up the money to make it happen. That’s how I vote going forward. FCPS needs to be held accountable. Free up a billion dollars in schools funds, and watch charters hold them accountable. They may not care about kids. They care a lot about per pupil funding.

You want to hold teachers accountable for decisions they didn’t make. My DW and I have been ready to teach in person since July. My employer, the school board, decided to keep my students at home.

Everyone knows that the ADA dump forced FCPS’s hand. That was a coordinated job action. That’s on the teachers. Maybe not all teachers. But several thousand.

Not several thousand, less than a couple thousand. About 15% of the staff. At least 85% of us are set and ready to go.

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Anonymous wrote:I am working harder than I ever have in FCPS. And my kids are learning. I am so so so sick of people threatening legal action because of a PANDEMIC as if we won’t want to WORK. I work 70-80 hour weeks. I truly loathe you people. You have NO idea how hard this has been and how ouch we are trying.

Any legal action isn’t about you. You need to remind yourself of that. Most teachers are working hard. This is legal action against the administration and the school board.

Nah, the actions and words of parents over the last few months suggest they’re blaming teachers as much as anyone. They want babysitters not teachers so that’s what they’re gonna get. Sue away, McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

What lack of education?

Distance learning === lack of education. Not just academically but developmentally. If you're a teacher and making this comment, you're delusional and are actively harming children.

If this is true that distance learning equals a lack of education, how are the majority of homeschooled children as successful or more successful than public school children? Truly curious.....and don't tell me that homeschooled children have parents at home committed to their education. That is VERY often a lifestyle choice, and a societal and cultural choice/value. Sorry....but the lesson to be learned here may be that our society is built on tenuous ground when parents claim that their children will literally DIE without the school system. Perhaps a change needs to be made from the bottom up.

I'm sure this type of concept will receive backlash, but I think it says a lot about our culture and society that we should take seriously. It's a house of cards.

I learned it. Which is why the pandemic has made me such a proponent of vouchers and charters and money following kids. Then I will take charge of my kid’s education. Sorry, I can’t teach calculus. But, I can ensure it happens.

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Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

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Like really. It's ridiculous. I hate you, you're the worst person in the world, you're the downfall of society... Now take my kid for 8 hours a day.

What I think you’re missing is how many of us who are moderately liberal and HATE Betsy DeVos, but are saying we don’t trust teachers in general or FCPS at all any more and want vouchers and more private competition so we can find educational options we do have faith in. My kid is in 10th and likely stuck halfway though high school. If they were younger, they’d be out. But, like a lot of families, we’ve been stuck wishing private had been an option. And would feel a lot better if it were an option going forward.

A lot of institutions and businesses innovated because they had to. My federal agency, with Trump actively trying to destroy telework (and the DP federal government in general), was finally been dragging kicking and screaming into 2021 and has been creative and flexible in ways that have left me stunned. All of a sudden, the dumb rules disappeared, and it became “we have people who must be served, for whom we are a housing/ eviction, food/ starvation, medical care/ death resource. We have no choice but to make this work.” So we did. A year in I’m so proud of what we’ve done. It wasn’t pretty at first. We made mistakes. We hit speed bumps. But we did it. A year in, our metrics show that we are doing a much better job than we were a year ago. Think about it. The federal government not just kept functioning, but in my little corner got better, being manned by people who were also monitoring 2nd grade.

Privates and many publics found a way. No one told FCPS they had to find a way, so they did the easy thing and failed. It was hard. It was uncomfortable. So, they didn’t. All parents, not just the wealthy, should have a different choice. And vouchers frees up the money to make it happen. That’s how I vote going forward. FCPS needs to be held accountable. Free up a billion dollars in schools funds, and watch charters hold them accountable. They may not care about kids. They care a lot about per pupil funding.

You want to hold teachers accountable for decisions they didn’t make. My DW and I have been ready to teach in person since July. My employer, the school board, decided to keep my students at home.

Everyone knows that the ADA dump forced FCPS’s hand. That was a coordinated job action. That’s on the teachers. Maybe not all teachers. But several thousand.

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Anonymous wrote:I am working harder than I ever have in FCPS. And my kids are learning. I am so so so sick of people threatening legal action because of a PANDEMIC as if we won’t want to WORK. I work 70-80 hour weeks. I truly loathe you people. You have NO idea how hard this has been and how ouch we are trying.

Any legal action isn’t about you. You need to remind yourself of that. Most teachers are working hard. This is legal action against the administration and the school board.

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Anonymous wrote:Become better parents. That’s my advice. I refrained from parent bashing for the last three months, but I am so fed up with being held responsible for the well being of complete strangers’ children, and being blamed for their well being or lack thereof.

If you are considering legal action, well, that’s one way to actively avoid facing and confronting your parenting issues. You aren’t helping your kids, though. That is what is sad about this.

Lol I’m a teacher and I just tried listening to the Dave Ramsey podcast bc I heard he had good advice, but he was a little too preachy... but anyway... on the February 23rd episode about Biden and student talons Dave said something like “parents aren’t doing their jobs at all and they’re sending animals to school and expecting the teachers to be able to do their jobs with a room full of kids that act like animals.” It was honestly sort of horrible for him to say but I laughed because many kids have zero expectations at home and will not listen to any teachers either because they’re used to doing whatever they want.

Teachers have rooms full of kids. As a parent you likely have 2.5 kids. Please do your job to make ours easier! Or just keep blaming us until there’s no good teachers left because the ones that have trouble not caring a lot get anxiety and/or depressed because it’s so hard to teach kids with all the distractions doing on by a lot of the kids! Like oh your kid won’t listen to you at home? Don’t blame me for why they’re failing! They won’t listen to me no matter how hard I try and other teachers come in to try to get them to listen and they still won’t, making me aware the issue is them and not me. Their issue is probably caused by awful/lazy parenting. Then there’s parents who freak the F out if you don’t grade their babies work super high or don’t give them extra time or speak to them with a tone to try to get them to realize they did something wrong. Your kid hit someone? Don’t yell at me for having a serious conversation with your child and having them apologize then they go home upset and crying to mommy and daddy because I “yelled” at them.

If you want to help your child and have better teachers, be a better parent!