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Anonymous wrote:Everyone would be better off if the state provided a voucher + cares money to let parents pick a private school that they see fit. This would also cause public schools to open rather than doing nothing and hoarding the money.

Check the private school forum. Applications are up 200% compared to 2019 and this is from families who can afford tuition without scholarships. There is no room for your kid to join in on the rush to get into the private schools and no need for extra applications let alone butts in seats.

DP here. There are still some spots in some privates. If we could each get our per pupil funding, then we could pay for pods, tutors, etc. Schools should reopen, but if they don't then give us the funding so we can do waht's best for our kids. The pp you're responding to is right. If it meant teachers could no longer stay home while getting paid, then schools would reopen.

It does not matter if some private medical providers are opting to provide some or even most services via telehealth. They are PRIVATE providers who are permitted to make their own decisions for their individual practices. They bear responsibility for the health of their patients and staff and can weigh risk as they see appropriate.

Public schools provide a public service and its primary purpose is to educate children to prepare them for college, the workforce, and to be informed citizen part of our democracy. The public service nature of public education involves a wider range of considerations, which go beyond determining whether some education is being delivered in the safest possible way. There is plenty of room for debate, but when DL is no longer a short term solution but is being considered as a long term delivery method, it becomes more important to consider whether the well-being of children is being served. DL certainly is the safest option, but other factors must be considered as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

I doubt there are a lot, if any, doctors at this point who work exclusively virtually. My husband just saw his PCP in person, for an important but non-emergency reason, and I have a routine dentist appointment next week (where I will even have to take off my mask - I'm assuming the dentist will wear his). No pre-appointment Covid test required.

I just took my 10 year old in for his yearly wellness check with his pediatrician. Isn't everyone keeping up with these for their kids?

My son (5) had a virtual well child in august and the pediatrician did a flu vaccine drive through early in the fall. I haven’t yet scheduled for my daughter who just turned 10, but given she’s not due for any vaccines at the moment, I suspect that will be virtual as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

I doubt there are a lot, if any, doctors at this point who work exclusively virtually. My husband just saw his PCP in person, for an important but non-emergency reason, and I have a routine dentist appointment next week (where I will even have to take off my mask - I'm assuming the dentist will wear his). No pre-appointment Covid test required.

There haven't been a lot since the beginning. We have had a number of routine check-ups- think regular visits, gyn, dermatologist, multiple dentist appointments for the whole family, a podiatrist appointment, flu vaccines. The only time it wasn't possible was from mid-March until late April/early May.

Very, very few medical professionals are doing exclusive telehealth. It’s really only for very routine stuff that probably never required an in-person visit, like prescription renewal. Otherwise, they need to see you in person. What’s actually happening with medical care is that people are skipping needed preventive and other in-person visits. They aren’t doing them by telehealth - they just aren’t doing them at all.

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Anonymous wrote:We are having in person Feb 1st. If your kid didn't get it then your school sucks or you are high SES and not ELL or Sped, you can wait.

And what part of “mental health crisis” do you think does not apply to high SES kids?

Teachers are not mental health providers, if your kid has no friends they likely didn't have friends in person either.

Again staying at home safe with parents having to look at an iPad or computer is sooooo bad for mental health, cry me a dang river.

I'm worried about sped, at, risk, an ELL because they really need in person services or in the case of at risk being at school is better for them sometimes in terms of care.

You read the Washington Post article that this thread is about.

Correction: You *should* read the Washington Post article that this thread is about

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

I doubt there are a lot, if any, doctors at this point who work exclusively virtually. My husband just saw his PCP in person, for an important but non-emergency reason, and I have a routine dentist appointment next week (where I will even have to take off my mask - I'm assuming the dentist will wear his). No pre-appointment Covid test required.

I just took my 10 year old in for his yearly wellness check with his pediatrician. Isn't everyone keeping up with these for their kids?

We're doing our normal wellness exams and our pediatrician has sent emails out encouraging parents to stick to their schedule and outlining their Covid policies (masking, hand washing statements, new scheduling system so that there is never more than two patients in waiting room, etc.). The one difference we made is that we scheduled one visit later than we normally would so that we could do the flu shot at the same time rather than make a separate appointment.

Our pediatrician said she doesn't consider her job particularly high risk because the office is very careful about masking (they all wear face shields as well) and she doesn't work with any populations that have proven to be the biggest spreaders of Covid (i.e. young adults who are eating out and socializing and traveling and also very likely to be asymptomatic). Even kids who are going to daycare every day are being more careful than college kids and 20 somethings.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

I doubt there are a lot, if any, doctors at this point who work exclusively virtually. My husband just saw his PCP in person, for an important but non-emergency reason, and I have a routine dentist appointment next week (where I will even have to take off my mask - I'm assuming the dentist will wear his). No pre-appointment Covid test required.

There haven't been a lot since the beginning. We have had a number of routine check-ups- think regular visits, gyn, dermatologist, multiple dentist appointments for the whole family, a podiatrist appointment, flu vaccines. The only time it wasn't possible was from mid-March until late April/early May.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

I doubt there are a lot, if any, doctors at this point who work exclusively virtually. My husband just saw his PCP in person, for an important but non-emergency reason, and I have a routine dentist appointment next week (where I will even have to take off my mask - I'm assuming the dentist will wear his). No pre-appointment Covid test required.

I just took my 10 year old in for his yearly wellness check with his pediatrician. Isn't everyone keeping up with these for their kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

I doubt there are a lot, if any, doctors at this point who work exclusively virtually. My husband just saw his PCP in person, for an important but non-emergency reason, and I have a routine dentist appointment next week (where I will even have to take off my mask - I'm assuming the dentist will wear his). No pre-appointment Covid test required.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

The "recovery rates", in this analogy, were standing in for the learning outcomes of students. Do you really think those are irrelevant and only the concern of right-wing message boards and "newspaper editorials" (what's with the weirdly Trumpian dig against the press)? Or did you just misunderstand?

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Anonymous wrote:We are having in person Feb 1st. If your kid didn't get it then your school sucks or you are high SES and not ELL or Sped, you can wait.

And what part of “mental health crisis” do you think does not apply to high SES kids?

Teachers are not mental health providers, if your kid has no friends they likely didn't have friends in person either.

Again staying at home safe with parents having to look at an iPad or computer is sooooo bad for mental health, cry me a dang river.

I'm worried about sped, at, risk, an ELL because they really need in person services or in the case of at risk being at school is better for them sometimes in terms of care.

You read the Washington Post article that this thread is about.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

You are missing the point of the analogy, which the pro-closure PP brought up. Just because SOME doctors can work effectively online, not all can, and not all do. Plenty of data by now show that teachers are not nearly as effective by teleteaching as they can be in person. You are clearly struggling to deny this fact by trying to cast it as the talk of Trumpers. It's getting old.

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Anonymous wrote:We are having in person Feb 1st. If your kid didn't get it then your school sucks or you are high SES and not ELL or Sped, you can wait.

And what part of “mental health crisis” do you think does not apply to high SES kids?

Teachers are not mental health providers, if your kid has no friends they likely didn't have friends in person either.

Again staying at home safe with parents having to look at an iPad or computer is sooooo bad for mental health, cry me a dang river.

I'm worried about sped, at, risk, an ELL because they really need in person services or in the case of at risk being at school is better for them sometimes in terms of care.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.

"Open" Er Up, not own, obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:Education is NOT being provided. End of story.

Unless you are at a private, that just simply isn’t true. It might not be the form of education you want or how much you want, but it is being offered. Even after schools physically reopen, it still won’t look like pre-pandemic school.

Education implies both a teacher teaching and a child actually learning. Simply offering up something digitally is not in any sense the meaning of "education". We could close all public schools and just keep library opens and that would be an "education" under your definition.

Does health care imply both a doctor giving treatment and the patient recovering? If so, there’s a lot of doctors not doing their job right now!

If doctors suddenly decided to radically change their job description, such as doing telemedicine only, and the recovery rates of their patients plummeted as a result, or only stayed the same because a family member of the patient took over the in-person part of the job, then yes, the doctor would not be doing their job.

That's how this analogy works.

Except that's not how it works at all, because many, many PCPs and other non emergency med doctors or surgeons DO continue to be doctors during a pandemic via telehealth, see patients and do all of this to the satisfaction of their employers. You know, just like teachers.

As for "recovery rates" -- meh. That's just the stuff of newspaper editorials and Own Er Up message boards. Irrelevant.