Do Blacks or Latinos perform academically well anywhere? Is there a school system that has figured out how to help those kids that for similar reasons (SES, cultural, etc.), don't do well in school? Is MCPS going to continue spinning its wheels at the expense of high-performing kids that shouldn't be penalized for doing well and needing to progress at a different pace?
We all know that as the curriculum is dumbed down, it will become the new normal and the under achievers will not be better for it.
kids really need to be broken out by level. mixing them together does not work.

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Why do you assume that every single AA kid is less-advantaged? That’s weird.

Like the PP said, an AA kid of two professional Black parents who are doctors is somehow less academically advantaged than the Vietnamese kid whose mom does nails and whose dad does landscaping?

Base it on income if you want. But basing special programs on race is gross, in this day and age. YMMV

Could you please provide an example of an MCPS program that's aimed at helping the child of two Black doctors and that excludes a child whose Vietnamese parents do nails/landscaping?

Also, do you agree that racism also affects affluent Black people and that the Asian-American "model minority" myth is (a) a racist myth (b) actively harmful?

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Anonymous wrote:There are some minority scholar programs where they make it clear the child needs to be Black or Latino. They say minority but they don't mean minority.

Which programs? There are several interesting programs in MCPS targeted at kids in Title I schools, but they are open to all kids in that school. There are programs for kids who participate in FARMS, but again they are open to all students who participate in FARMS.

Which programs, run by MCPS directly, make it clear that a child needs to be Black of Latino?

Next time we get a flyer at JW for one of these programs, I’ll come back and revive this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if PP will be back with more details, but I can absolutely imagine an outside group coming in and offering enrichment specifically targeted at one group.

For example, a Black fraternity providing mentorship opportunities for Black boys.

I honestly don't see an issue with that. Even if the opportunity seems interesting, it's okay for that opportunity to not be for my child.

And when an Asian owned group comes in to provide mentor ship or enrichment for only Asian kids only using school staff, this should be okay too.

You're referring to Asian-American groups and Asian-American kids, right?

Or, for example, this one time a group from the South Korean embassy came to my kid's school for a paper-folding assembly, so that was an Asian group - is that what you're referring to? But the assembly was for all of the kids in the grade.

It could be a group owned/run by an Asian American or an Asian immigrant that’s not yet a citizen. Is that more clear?

How great that the group did not restrict kids of different races to join in their activity. That is how it ought to be.

But as the above quoted poster pointed out, they would be cool with a group run by Black people coming in and only allowing black kids. There should be no different judgement then if a group run by Asians or Asian Americans only allowed kids of Asian descent to participate in their program.

You know, I'm really trying, but I'm finding it hard to be appropriately sympathetic to the complaints of more-advantaged people about the existence of programs aimed at helping less-advantaged people.

Why do you assume that every single AA kid is less-advantaged? That’s weird.

Like the PP said, an AA kid of two professional Black parents who are doctors is somehow less academically advantaged than the Vietnamese kid whose mom does nails and whose dad does landscaping?

Base it on income if you want. But basing special programs on race is gross, in this day and age. YMMV

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if PP will be back with more details, but I can absolutely imagine an outside group coming in and offering enrichment specifically targeted at one group.

For example, a Black fraternity providing mentorship opportunities for Black boys.

I honestly don't see an issue with that. Even if the opportunity seems interesting, it's okay for that opportunity to not be for my child.

And when an Asian owned group comes in to provide mentor ship or enrichment for only Asian kids only using school staff, this should be okay too.

You're referring to Asian-American groups and Asian-American kids, right?

Or, for example, this one time a group from the South Korean embassy came to my kid's school for a paper-folding assembly, so that was an Asian group - is that what you're referring to? But the assembly was for all of the kids in the grade.

It could be a group owned/run by an Asian American or an Asian immigrant that’s not yet a citizen. Is that more clear?

How great that the group did not restrict kids of different races to join in their activity. That is how it ought to be.

But as the above quoted poster pointed out, they would be cool with a group run by Black people coming in and only allowing black kids. There should be no different judgement then if a group run by Asians or Asian Americans only allowed kids of Asian descent to participate in their program.

You know, I'm really trying, but I'm finding it hard to be appropriately sympathetic to the complaints of more-advantaged people about the existence of programs aimed at helping less-advantaged people.

Neither examples stated their programs were for less advantaged people. If that’s hard for you to contrast, I have a hard time being sympathetic to those supporting purely race based programs in public schools.

I wholeheartedly agree that programs should be available to kids of low socioeconomic families—- regardless of race.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if PP will be back with more details, but I can absolutely imagine an outside group coming in and offering enrichment specifically targeted at one group.

For example, a Black fraternity providing mentorship opportunities for Black boys.

I honestly don't see an issue with that. Even if the opportunity seems interesting, it's okay for that opportunity to not be for my child.

And when an Asian owned group comes in to provide mentor ship or enrichment for only Asian kids only using school staff, this should be okay too.

You're referring to Asian-American groups and Asian-American kids, right?

Or, for example, this one time a group from the South Korean embassy came to my kid's school for a paper-folding assembly, so that was an Asian group - is that what you're referring to? But the assembly was for all of the kids in the grade.

It could be a group owned/run by an Asian American or an Asian immigrant that’s not yet a citizen. Is that more clear?

How great that the group did not restrict kids of different races to join in their activity. That is how it ought to be.

But as the above quoted poster pointed out, they would be cool with a group run by Black people coming in and only allowing black kids. There should be no different judgement then if a group run by Asians or Asian Americans only allowed kids of Asian descent to participate in their program.

You know, I'm really trying, but I'm finding it hard to be appropriately sympathetic to the complaints of more-advantaged people about the existence of programs aimed at helping less-advantaged people.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if PP will be back with more details, but I can absolutely imagine an outside group coming in and offering enrichment specifically targeted at one group.

For example, a Black fraternity providing mentorship opportunities for Black boys.

I honestly don't see an issue with that. Even if the opportunity seems interesting, it's okay for that opportunity to not be for my child.

And when an Asian owned group comes in to provide mentor ship or enrichment for only Asian kids only using school staff, this should be okay too.

You're referring to Asian-American groups and Asian-American kids, right?

Or, for example, this one time a group from the South Korean embassy came to my kid's school for a paper-folding assembly, so that was an Asian group - is that what you're referring to? But the assembly was for all of the kids in the grade.

It could be a group owned/run by an Asian American or an Asian immigrant that’s not yet a citizen. Is that more clear?

How great that the group did not restrict kids of different races to join in their activity. That is how it ought to be.

But as the above quoted poster pointed out, they would be cool with a group run by Black people coming in and only allowing black kids. There should be no different judgement then if a group run by Asians or Asian Americans only allowed kids of Asian descent to participate in their program.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if PP will be back with more details, but I can absolutely imagine an outside group coming in and offering enrichment specifically targeted at one group.

For example, a Black fraternity providing mentorship opportunities for Black boys.

I honestly don't see an issue with that. Even if the opportunity seems interesting, it's okay for that opportunity to not be for my child.

And when an Asian owned group comes in to provide mentor ship or enrichment for only Asian kids only using school staff, this should be okay too.

You're referring to Asian-American groups and Asian-American kids, right?

Or, for example, this one time a group from the South Korean embassy came to my kid's school for a paper-folding assembly, so that was an Asian group - is that what you're referring to? But the assembly was for all of the kids in the grade.

Anonymous wrote:Of course we know what they mean. When they have a special program for minorities Asians can't participate. But why is that? Why is it that the wealthy child of doctors who happens to be black is eligible and the Vietnamese immigrant child who is poor cannot? Why?

Why can't they change the discussion to focus on income and not on race and ethnicity. I think part of it is that they are okay with the wealthy child of black doctors participating. But not the poor Asian child. Why is that and why doesn't anyone question this?

PP, as a general comment, NOT specific to MCPS: racism is a thing for affluent people too.

Anonymous wrote:Of course we know what they mean. When they have a special program for minorities Asians can't participate. But why is that? Why is it that the wealthy child of doctors who happens to be black is eligible and the Vietnamese immigrant child who is poor cannot? Why?

Why can't they change the discussion to focus on income and not on race and ethnicity. I think part of it is that they are okay with the wealthy child of black doctors participating. But not the poor Asian child. Why is that and why doesn't anyone question this?

Because you're tilting at windmills here. There are no "special programs" run by MCPS that are closed to Asian American students. There are programs that are limited to poor/working class kids and programs limited to kids in high needs schools, but not programs that are only open to certain races.

Anonymous wrote:There are some minority scholar programs where they make it clear the child needs to be Black or Latino. They say minority but they don't mean minority.

Which programs? There are several interesting programs in MCPS targeted at kids in Title I schools, but they are open to all kids in that school. There are programs for kids who participate in FARMS, but again they are open to all students who participate in FARMS.

Which programs, run by MCPS directly, make it clear that a child needs to be Black of Latino?

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if PP will be back with more details, but I can absolutely imagine an outside group coming in and offering enrichment specifically targeted at one group.

For example, a Black fraternity providing mentorship opportunities for Black boys.

I honestly don't see an issue with that. Even if the opportunity seems interesting, it's okay for that opportunity to not be for my child.

And when an Asian owned group comes in to provide mentor ship or enrichment for only Asian kids only using school staff, this should be okay too.

I don't know if PP will be back with more details, but I can absolutely imagine an outside group coming in and offering enrichment specifically targeted at one group.

For example, a Black fraternity providing mentorship opportunities for Black boys.

I honestly don't see an issue with that. Even if the opportunity seems interesting, it's okay for that opportunity to not be for my child.

Every minority child no matter what race or income experiences some kind of bias and discrimination so I think it's okay for anyone to participate. But that would mean allowing Asians too.

Of course we know what they mean. When they have a special program for minorities Asians can't participate. But why is that? Why is it that the wealthy child of doctors who happens to be black is eligible and the Vietnamese immigrant child who is poor cannot? Why?

Why can't they change the discussion to focus on income and not on race and ethnicity. I think part of it is that they are okay with the wealthy child of black doctors participating. But not the poor Asian child. Why is that and why doesn't anyone question this?