Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:58
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
The spectacular cluelessness of so-called educated people on this thread about what financial resources are needed to establish a new city is both hilarious and sad.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:56
Subject: Re:McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sounds like they want to segregate their schools more. How nice.
Let’s see the reaction when property taxes immediately double to cover every other service the state or county provides, and businesses relocate to other parts of Fairfax County because little McLean becomes a more expensive place to do business.
McLean would no longer be apart of Virginia?
Pretty sure McLean would be ok economically.
The states maintains all of the roadways. McLean, as a city, would have to establish and maintain its own highway department.
People are acting like this is a crazy new idea. It's already been done for many years in Falls Church City and also in Manassas and Manassas Park. These are very different jurisdictions but McLean is similar to Falls Church City in demographics. Many on DCUM like to disparage FCC schools but the residents of FCC pretty much love their little city and their little school district. I'm actually pretty sure the people of Manassas and Manassas Park like theirs pretty well too. When it comes to school districts smaller is generally better, in general, with some debatable points.
No, “rich” is generally better. Size is of little consequence. Get it right.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:55
Subject: Re:McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:I'm so happy McLean residents are exploring this. Maybe it can be a wake-up call to FCPS about how little confidence we have in the current Superintendent and School Board.
honestly the only thing it would probably do is rally them to block it from happening. They want the money from McLean taxes but not to provide services for McLean residents
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:48
Subject: Re:McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
I'm so happy McLean residents are exploring this. Maybe it can be a wake-up call to FCPS about how little confidence we have in the current Superintendent and School Board.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:43
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
So, people are forever shackled to a poorly run huge district because the district needs their money to subsidize other parts of the district? I live in Eastern Fairfax and think FCPS is too large and extremely poorly run.
that's how counties and cites work.
they already do, the limosine liberals in McLean have decided they'd rather not now. I'm sure they will still vote in the same way, just with borders to insure that the talk about equity people becomes only lip service
but it shouldnt be. Nor should kids be sacrificed on the alter of bad governance for the sake of doing it like everyone else.
so all of the nice areas should jettison the poor areas?
No, i'm sure enough SJWs would be willing to put their money where their mouth is and fund poorer areas
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:36
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ah, the top 9.9% hoarding their riches and only caring about their own kids.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/[/quote]
It gets harder to guilt-trip people after you've flipped them off for years. [/quote]
If you say so.
This thread is appalling.[/quote]
Why is it appalling? If I paid a premium for my house and paid higher tesl estate taxes, and my kids were in overcrowded schools in dilapidated buildings, I would not be happy either. I'd try to figure out how to change that and if breaking from FCPS accomplished that, I'd support that. Why should people sacrifice their kids?[/quote]
Question - are the property tax [b]rates[/b] higher in McLean or are you just referring to the fact that your property values are higher, so the overall bill is higher? I thought property taxes were a flat or proportional tax that affect all property owners equally, not a progressive tax, like income taxes.
[/quote]
People in McLean pay higher taxes because their property is worth more. No one is saying tax "rate". I said real estate taxes--a function of both rate AND VALUE. People pay more for their houses because they think their kids wil attend a school reflecting the increased amount they paid for their houses. If you are so focused on the tax "rate" being equal, then why do you object to McLean families wanting to leave FCPS? I mean, they're not contributing any more from a tax rate perspective, so you should be completely neutral to them leaving. Right?[/quote]
I am the PP and I don't object to McLean wanting to incorporate at all. I think FCPS is way too big - I completely support breaking it down into more manageable, responsive units. FCC is a great model (that is where I live and pay higher taxes), although smaller scale. Just want to be precise on the equal burden that property taxes impose on all of us . I am interested in the demographics of McLean - the overall age of residents appears higher than average (over 48 I think) and I am curious what percentage of families send their kids to private schools and whether that would change - not sure those groups would support the move to separate.
BTW, I do think there is an interesting debate underlying all of the concerns expressed about whether public education should be a federal, state or local responsibility. Not an easy question.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/[/quote]
It gets harder to guilt-trip people after you've flipped them off for years. [/quote]
If you say so.
This thread is appalling.[/quote]
Why is it appalling? If I paid a premium for my house and paid higher tesl estate taxes, and my kids were in overcrowded schools in dilapidated buildings, I would not be happy either. I'd try to figure out how to change that and if breaking from FCPS accomplished that, I'd support that. Why should people sacrifice their kids?[/quote]
Question - are the property tax [b]rates[/b] higher in McLean or are you just referring to the fact that your property values are higher, so the overall bill is higher? I thought property taxes were a flat or proportional tax that affect all property owners equally, not a progressive tax, like income taxes.
[/quote]
People in McLean pay higher taxes because their property is worth more. No one is saying tax "rate". I said real estate taxes--a function of both rate AND VALUE. People pay more for their houses because they think their kids wil attend a school reflecting the increased amount they paid for their houses. If you are so focused on the tax "rate" being equal, then why do you object to McLean families wanting to leave FCPS? I mean, they're not contributing any more from a tax rate perspective, so you should be completely neutral to them leaving. Right?[/quote]
I am the PP and I don't object to McLean wanting to incorporate at all. I think FCPS is way too big - I completely support breaking it down into more manageable, responsive units. FCC is a great model (that is where I live and pay higher taxes), although smaller scale. Just want to be precise on the equal burden that property taxes impose on all of us . I am interested in the demographics of McLean - the overall age of residents appears higher than average (over 48 I think) and I am curious what percentage of families send their kids to private schools and whether that would change - not sure those groups would support the move to separate.
BTW, I do think there is an interesting debate underlying all of the concerns expressed about whether public education should be a federal, state or local responsibility. Not an easy question.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:36
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
It's not about avoiding integrated schools; it's about taking care of neglected schools (and roads, commercial areas, and so on).
Feel free to make your case about why people in McLean should gladly accept, for example, FCPS spending $40M to expand West Potomac HS to 3000 seats (in large part, by the way, so kids won't have to attend under-enrolled Mount Vernon a few miles away) but saddle McLean HS with a cheap modular. But you might want to read up on tipping points first.
Mclean high is so neglected that it's only one of the best schools in the state not the best school
these ratings reflect scores not facilities. Should kids be going to school in run down, too small buildings even if they are smart?
McLean's test scores are declining now. Enrollment is down this year when it should have been up. People are starting to vote with their feet. The high school is a poster child for a neglected facility:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/27/virginia-teachers-strike-amazon-tax-breaks
Good to strike out now and work towards greater autonomy before the area ends up run down like other parts of Fairfax.
Enrollment is down this year? Ya think?
McLean is the best high school in Nova by many measures, the best high school in Virginia.
Woe is they.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:30
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
It's not about avoiding integrated schools; it's about taking care of neglected schools (and roads, commercial areas, and so on).
Feel free to make your case about why people in McLean should gladly accept, for example, FCPS spending $40M to expand West Potomac HS to 3000 seats (in large part, by the way, so kids won't have to attend under-enrolled Mount Vernon a few miles away) but saddle McLean HS with a cheap modular. But you might want to read up on tipping points first.
Mclean high is so neglected that it's only one of the best schools in the state not the best school
these ratings reflect scores not facilities. Should kids be going to school in run down, too small buildings even if they are smart?
McLean's test scores are declining now. Enrollment is down this year when it should have been up. People are starting to vote with their feet. The high school is a poster child for a neglected facility:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/27/virginia-teachers-strike-amazon-tax-breaks
Good to strike out now and work towards greater autonomy before the area ends up run down like other parts of Fairfax.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:30
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
So, people are forever shackled to a poorly run huge district because the district needs their money to subsidize other parts of the district? I live in Eastern Fairfax and think FCPS is too large and extremely poorly run.
that's how counties and cites work.
but it shouldnt be. Nor should kids be sacrificed on the alter of bad governance for the sake of doing it like everyone else.
so all of the nice areas should jettison the poor areas?
No, i'm sure enough SJWs would be willing to put their money where their mouth is and fund poorer areas
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:29
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
So, people are forever shackled to a poorly run huge district because the district needs their money to subsidize other parts of the district? I live in Eastern Fairfax and think FCPS is too large and extremely poorly run.
that's how counties and cites work.
but it shouldnt be. Nor should kids be sacrificed on the alter of bad governance for the sake of doing it like everyone else.
McLean kids are not sacrificed on an alter.
Complaining because a high school offers lots of classes is not a sacrifice. It's just complaining.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:28
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
So, people are forever shackled to a poorly run huge district because the district needs their money to subsidize other parts of the district? I live in Eastern Fairfax and think FCPS is too large and extremely poorly run.
that's how counties and cites work.
but it shouldnt be. Nor should kids be sacrificed on the alter of bad governance for the sake of doing it like everyone else.
so all of the nice areas should jettison the poor areas?
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:27
Subject: Re:McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sounds like they want to segregate their schools more. How nice.
Let’s see the reaction when property taxes immediately double to cover every other service the state or county provides, and businesses relocate to other parts of Fairfax County because little McLean becomes a more expensive place to do business.
McLean would no longer be apart of Virginia?
Pretty sure McLean would be ok economically.
The states maintains all of the roadways. McLean, as a city, would have to establish and maintain its own highway department.
People are acting like this is a crazy new idea. It's already been done for many years in Falls Church City and also in Manassas and Manassas Park. These are very different jurisdictions but McLean is similar to Falls Church City in demographics. Many on DCUM like to disparage FCC schools but the residents of FCC pretty much love their little city and their little school district. I'm actually pretty sure the people of Manassas and Manassas Park like theirs pretty well too. When it comes to school districts smaller is generally better, in general, with some debatable points.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:26
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
So, people are forever shackled to a poorly run huge district because the district needs their money to subsidize other parts of the district? I live in Eastern Fairfax and think FCPS is too large and extremely poorly run.
that's how counties and cites work.
but it shouldnt be. Nor should kids be sacrificed on the alter of bad governance for the sake of doing it like everyone else.
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:25
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
It's not about avoiding integrated schools; it's about taking care of neglected schools (and roads, commercial areas, and so on).
Feel free to make your case about why people in McLean should gladly accept, for example, FCPS spending $40M to expand West Potomac HS to 3000 seats (in large part, by the way, so kids won't have to attend under-enrolled Mount Vernon a few miles away) but saddle McLean HS with a cheap modular. But you might want to read up on tipping points first.
Mclean high is so neglected that it's only one of the best schools in the state not the best school
these ratings reflect scores not facilities. Should kids be going to school in run down, too small buildings even if they are smart?
Anonymous
12/03/2020 11:23
Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.
Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.
Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.
it's entirely about demographics, rich people don't like title I schools getting more funding and attention so they want to break away to keep their tax dollars away from the poorer schools. Local control is the usually euphemism used for secession when the rich part of the district breaks away from the poorer, it's a popular trend in the south https://www.vox.com/2019/9/6/20853091/school-secession-racial-segregation-louisiana-alabama
So, people are forever shackled to a poorly run huge district because the district needs their money to subsidize other parts of the district? I live in Eastern Fairfax and think FCPS is too large and extremely poorly run.
that's how counties and cites work.