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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t actually matter what you think. My lessons and pedagogy have been published in national publications. I’ve received letters of commendation from my district. You don’t have any insight into what or how we teach, the progress our students make, the lengths we go to to help our students simply by reading posts on a message board, especially about a topic that has devolved this much. If you want to homeschool, do. It’s your prerogative. But maybe humble yourself a bit to realize that if you don’t teach, it is possible that there are aspects of what goes into that that you don’t fully understand. I’ve ridden on airplanes. I don’t presume to tell pilots how to fly planes simply because I’ve been a passenger.

Oh, I’m well aware that the things you’ve been taught are very ineffective. Even the best teachers in the US pale in comparison to teachers in the top-performing countries.

That’s great that you got all As in college. The problem is, your program was really easy.

What comment are you responding to? Can’t be mine because I didn’t mention college or grades at all. You’re having a conversation with yourself at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:For a teacher to play a music video where school age kids get intimate...There’re other intentions here.

Yup, or the teacher is just that stupid. Either way, it has no place in the classroom. I just watched the first minute or so of the two first music videos YouTube loaded up for Taylor Swift, and this for sure has no place in elementary school. The documentary on netflix about her has a rating of 13+ on common sense media - that's eight grade.

I am sure all the defensive moms on here will cling to the, "tell us what video it was defense," even though odds are OP probably doesn't remember because she is probably not a Tswizzle fan.

Given the age it was probably Love Story or You Belong With Me. Neither show “intimacy.” Nor do most other Taylor videos. You guys are such Puritans. JFC.

Yet, you don't have a clue, because well, you don't know. You weren't there. You are just guessing. Sorry if we don't want our daughters poorly influenced in public school at the elementary age, or sons to get the wrong impression.

Now go back to watching cuties, creating more content for your onlyfans, or donating to planned parenthood.

6th graders are technically middle schoolers everywhere else in the US. 6th graders have seen a lot worse. I hate to break it to you but a lot of the classics are not appropriate for 6th graders to read due to intimacy and other issues. You need to get a grip.

Except here they are elementary students, but that is completely beside the point. Inappropriate content, and we are using MTV and Disney movies to teach kids about reading. What kind of a clown world are they operating here? This isn't your rock n roll in the 60s blowoff survey class you took in college, its kids trying to learn how to read effectively, and its failing by every possible measure. This is happening in what is held out as one of the best public school system in the country. Imagine what is happening in places that are worse off.

+1 For reading comprehension, students need to apply background knowledge to the clues the author gives. With inappropriate content, 10-11 kids will get confused as hell.

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Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Not in our current system. Everyone knows it is a joke.

There are other fields that are relatively low-pay, yet still desirable. Why is this? Because they are competitive to get into - and require a good brain!

You can’t accept everyone that applies and wonder why people don’t consider it prestigious.

You just proved my point! So stop complaining about the teachers. The situation is not going to change unless our society decides to make teaching a more desirable profession.

No dear, I didn’t prove your point. Look at the posts above.

It’s clearly a desired profession by many - look how many teachers we churn out each year. The problem is, it is desired by underachievers that didn’t have a high enough GPA to do something else.

So no, we need it to become SELECTIVE. Which will, admittedly, make it more desirable for high-achieving students!

Sigh. I clearly meant desirable for our high-achieving students. (I didn't think I would have to spell that out for you.)

Your logic is anything but clear. That’s part of the problem. Go back to your T Swift.

Goodness. Now I am beginning to doubt YOUR intelligence. Have fun ranting and raving on DCUM. I have to check out and get back to reality now.

Im not that poster, but his/her thoughts make a lot of sense to me. Why do we let just anyone become a teacher?

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Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Not in our current system. Everyone knows it is a joke.

There are other fields that are relatively low-pay, yet still desirable. Why is this? Because they are competitive to get into - and require a good brain!

You can’t accept everyone that applies and wonder why people don’t consider it prestigious.

You just proved my point! So stop complaining about the teachers. The situation is not going to change unless our society decides to make teaching a more desirable profession.

No dear, I didn’t prove your point. Look at the posts above.

It’s clearly a desired profession by many - look how many teachers we churn out each year. The problem is, it is desired by underachievers that didn’t have a high enough GPA to do something else.

So no, we need it to become SELECTIVE. Which will, admittedly, make it more desirable for high-achieving students!

Sigh. I clearly meant desirable for our high-achieving students. (I didn't think I would have to spell that out for you.)

Your logic is anything but clear. That’s part of the problem. Go back to your T Swift.

Goodness. Now I am beginning to doubt YOUR intelligence. Have fun ranting and raving on DCUM. I have to check out and get back to reality now.

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Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Not in our current system. Everyone knows it is a joke.

There are other fields that are relatively low-pay, yet still desirable. Why is this? Because they are competitive to get into - and require a good brain!

You can’t accept everyone that applies and wonder why people don’t consider it prestigious.

You just proved my point! So stop complaining about the teachers. The situation is not going to change unless our society decides to make teaching a more desirable profession.

No dear, I didn’t prove your point. Look at the posts above.

It’s clearly a desired profession by many - look how many teachers we churn out each year. The problem is, it is desired by underachievers that didn’t have a high enough GPA to do something else.

So no, we need it to become SELECTIVE. Which will, admittedly, make it more desirable for high-achieving students!

Sigh. I clearly meant desirable for our high-achieving students. (I didn't think I would have to spell that out for you.)

Your logic is anything but clear. That’s part of the problem. Go back to your T Swift.

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Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Not in our current system. Everyone knows it is a joke.

There are other fields that are relatively low-pay, yet still desirable. Why is this? Because they are competitive to get into - and require a good brain!

You can’t accept everyone that applies and wonder why people don’t consider it prestigious.

You just proved my point! So stop complaining about the teachers. The situation is not going to change unless our society decides to make teaching a more desirable profession.

No dear, I didn’t prove your point. Look at the posts above.

It’s clearly a desired profession by many - look how many teachers we churn out each year. The problem is, it is desired by underachievers that didn’t have a high enough GPA to do something else.

So no, we need it to become SELECTIVE. Which will, admittedly, make it more desirable for high-achieving students!

Sigh. I clearly meant desirable for our high-achieving students. (I didn't think I would have to spell that out for you.)

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Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Not in our current system. Everyone knows it is a joke.

There are other fields that are relatively low-pay, yet still desirable. Why is this? Because they are competitive to get into - and require a good brain!

You can’t accept everyone that applies and wonder why people don’t consider it prestigious.

You just proved my point! So stop complaining about the teachers. The situation is not going to change unless our society decides to make teaching a more desirable profession.

No dear, I didn’t prove your point. Look at the posts above.

It’s clearly a desired profession by many - look how many teachers we churn out each year. The problem is, it is desired by underachievers that didn’t have a high enough GPA to do something else.

So no, we need it to become SELECTIVE. Which will, admittedly, make it more desirable for high-achieving students!

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t actually matter what you think. My lessons and pedagogy have been published in national publications. I’ve received letters of commendation from my district. You don’t have any insight into what or how we teach, the progress our students make, the lengths we go to to help our students simply by reading posts on a message board, especially about a topic that has devolved this much. If you want to homeschool, do. It’s your prerogative. But maybe humble yourself a bit to realize that if you don’t teach, it is possible that there are aspects of what goes into that that you don’t fully understand. I’ve ridden on airplanes. I don’t presume to tell pilots how to fly planes simply because I’ve been a passenger.

All fair points, until the rubber meets the road. If we are falling behind other countries your lessons and pedagogy published in national publications and commendations don’t amount to anything more than part of the problem. I know that may seem harsh, and we know it can’t be easy teaching, but you have to admit from unions to bad policy it’s all failing badly.

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Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Not in our current system. Everyone knows it is a joke.

There are other fields that are relatively low-pay, yet still desirable. Why is this? Because they are competitive to get into - and require a good brain!

You can’t accept everyone that applies and wonder why people don’t consider it prestigious.

You just proved my point! So stop complaining about the teachers. The situation is not going to change unless our society decides to make teaching a more desirable profession.

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Anonymous wrote:Not OP but because of this thread I found a relative current song and video to integrate into my lesson this week. Thanks for the idea. Students have not been engaged. I’ll try anything at this point!

Yay, more MTV in school.

If your students aren’t engaged, that is YOUR fault, and no music video will help that.

Dear lord, we need a complete overhaul of our system - starting with making schools of education more rigorous and difficult to get into. “The quality of an education system can only be as good as the quality of its educators.” How about we stop letting just anyone become a teacher. Yikes.

Feel free to become one. The kids would run you out within days but you seem to believe you have all the answers. Come on, join us and show us how you’ll get kids to learn by boring them to death.

We do “momschool” at home throughout the year. It’s amazing how engaged they are.

Uh they when are you trolling the public school board.

Because my kids are in public school?

Oh. So “mom school” isn’t a thing then. That’s called parenting.

Really? Hours of tutoring every week throughout the year? Not just helping with homework. Additional teaching of different subjects so my kids don’t fall behind. It’s a public school/homeschool combo. You really aren’t very smart, are you?

That’s parenting.

I don’t do this with my kids (nor anyone else that I know). Unless she is doing homework help, I don’t consider that parenting. I’m starting to wonder if I should homeschool my kids now. The responses from teachers on this thread (and others) make me realize that our standards for who can become an educator are really, really low.

Go right ahead!

Clever response!

I’m not really concerned about my kids. We will figure it out one way or another. I’m concerned for the families that don’t have the time or money to supplement (heavily) at home. (You - childless teacher - may call that “parenting,” and you’re a fool.)

I can see a lot of people posting on these boards, and I truly think some change may come from this. Our teachers clearly need to be retrained - WHAT to teach and HOW to teach it. They simply aren’t bright enough to figure these things out on their own. (And yes, I understand that you are already told
WHAT to teach, but the fact that you go along with terrible curricula without question is disturbing.) Our kids deserve QUALITY educators, not just anyone that can graduate from an unknown university with a 2.5 GPA. While we are at it, let’s actually make the Praxis challenging. That test is a joke.

Thank you for this suggestion. Please write to the school board with an outline of your suggested professional development. They will add it right away.

No one is suggesting a change in professional development offered by school systems. We are discussing changing how teachers are trained from the start - including making admissions standards MUCH more selective.

Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Not in our current system. Everyone knows it is a joke.

There are other fields that are relatively low-pay, yet still desirable. Why is this? Because they are competitive to get into - and require a good brain!

You can’t accept everyone that applies and wonder why people don’t consider it prestigious.

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t actually matter what you think. My lessons and pedagogy have been published in national publications. I’ve received letters of commendation from my district. You don’t have any insight into what or how we teach, the progress our students make, the lengths we go to to help our students simply by reading posts on a message board, especially about a topic that has devolved this much. If you want to homeschool, do. It’s your prerogative. But maybe humble yourself a bit to realize that if you don’t teach, it is possible that there are aspects of what goes into that that you don’t fully understand. I’ve ridden on airplanes. I don’t presume to tell pilots how to fly planes simply because I’ve been a passenger.

Oh, I’m well aware that the things you’ve been taught are very ineffective. Even the best teachers in the US pale in comparison to teachers in the top-performing countries.

That’s great that you got all As in college. The problem is, your program was really easy.

Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Read this post, PPs. Are your children bright and driven? Are you encouraging them to pursue a career in teaching?

Anonymous wrote:OK PPs. Surely you know that a teaching career is not a desired profession, right? If you want the best and the brightest to pursue teaching, then we need to overhaul the salary/prestige/respect/etc. given to teachers these days. We equate teachers with lower tier professionals, certainly not doctors, lawyers, scientists. Our bright young minds are being encouraged to pursue careers other than teaching. Sure, sure, sure, of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the whole...

Teaching in Finland USED to be considered a lower tier profession, but then they made drastic changes for the teacher requirements. It’s as hard to become a teacher over there as it is to become a doctor. And now, their students are among the smartest in the world (without the need for endless studying like other countries). Simply making the profession more selective made it more desirable.

Teachers in Finland ARE paid more than in the US, but only about 20K (depending upon where you are).

So yes, let’s make it more selective (Finland accepts 20% of applicants while the US accepts ANYONE). Let’s pay them more (No, you won’t make as much as a surgeon).

US colleges churn out WAY more teachers than we need. If we make admission standards
MUCH more challenging, we won’t even come close to a teacher shortage. It will probably draw applicants that never would have considered the field otherwise.

It doesn’t actually matter what you think. My lessons and pedagogy have been published in national publications. I’ve received letters of commendation from my district. You don’t have any insight into what or how we teach, the progress our students make, the lengths we go to to help our students simply by reading posts on a message board, especially about a topic that has devolved this much. If you want to homeschool, do. It’s your prerogative. But maybe humble yourself a bit to realize that if you don’t teach, it is possible that there are aspects of what goes into that that you don’t fully understand. I’ve ridden on airplanes. I don’t presume to tell pilots how to fly planes simply because I’ve been a passenger.