Anonymous
08/11/2020 14:30
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Do you bill a client for any law review articles you read? How about for reading up on what the bar association is changing wrt to new applicants? How about for mentoring an intern? Or any of the thousands of things you do stay current in your profession?
Again, most of these things are within the scope of my job and covered by my salary. If I wasn’t getting a paycheck for two months, I wouldn’t be doing these things because I wouldn’t be compensated for them. I stay up to date on my job because I’m paid and compensated to do so. I win a case—I make money. Also, why am I reading law review if I’m not using it to develop a legal basis for an argument for my client and therefore billing them.
Come on. You are comparing apples and oranges. I make a 12 month salary with bonuses and incentives for good work. Teachers make 10/11 month flat salary with not financial incentive to go above and beyond. Many still do, but that’s a choice they make.
I’m not going to sit here and call them lazy for not going to 40 hour a week trainings during the time they aren’t getting paid for it. I wouldn’t do it any other year. You want them in trainings than advocate year long rolling contracts.
I agree with this. And that’s why DL will not be better this year. Teachers haven’t been working all summer to get it right. They will have two weeks only because that’s in their contract. Teachers should have been paid over the summer in order to train to provide a more “robust” DL this year.
To be fair, all the ones I know have been loosely planning and thinking of ways to adapt. But we have no solid plans from the schools yet and many don’t even know what we are teaching yet so it’s hard to plan too much. The thing is, the good teachers will find ways to be great at it. The crappy teachers will be crappy but they always are. Nobody who is a good teacher will suddenly just suck or not want to do well by your kids. We do want this to go well for them and will do everything we can to make that happen.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 14:16
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Do you bill a client for any law review articles you read? How about for reading up on what the bar association is changing wrt to new applicants? How about for mentoring an intern? Or any of the thousands of things you do stay current in your profession?
Again, most of these things are within the scope of my job and covered by my salary. If I wasn’t getting a paycheck for two months, I wouldn’t be doing these things because I wouldn’t be compensated for them. I stay up to date on my job because I’m paid and compensated to do so. I win a case—I make money. Also, why am I reading law review if I’m not using it to develop a legal basis for an argument for my client and therefore billing them.
Come on. You are comparing apples and oranges. I make a 12 month salary with bonuses and incentives for good work. Teachers make 10/11 month flat salary with not financial incentive to go above and beyond. Many still do, but that’s a choice they make.
I’m not going to sit here and call them lazy for not going to 40 hour a week trainings during the time they aren’t getting paid for it. I wouldn’t do it any other year. You want them in trainings than advocate year long rolling contracts.
I agree with this. And that’s why DL will not be better this year. Teachers haven’t been working all summer to get it right. They will have two weeks only because that’s in their contract. Teachers should have been paid over the summer in order to train to provide a more “robust” DL this year.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 14:14
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Who do you bill your CLE too?
That’s built into my salary that I make all 12 months. It’s not like I do CLE while the firm freezes my pay and tells me to go complete CLE. I’m also compensated with bonuses when cases win. Teachers: when your class does well on the SOL do you make extra money?
We do not and thank you for pointing that out. Unlike in many other jobs, there are NO merit bonuses at all in teaching. We also have incredibly limited opportunity to grow our salary- your wage is a set box on an x/y axis of years of experience + education AND , like this year, it is frozen anytime there’s cuts. So whereas my husband can get a 5 figure bonus by winning a contract or jump companies and boost his salary 20k, I am not ever going to receive a bonus for how well I teach nor am I going to have the capacity for earning that private sector employees do. Now, I accept that my pretty low salary, no bonus opportunities and minimal salary growth are part of this job and I love the job so I will tolerate the trade offs but it does NOT mean I will also work full time *for free* two months a year.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 14:05
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Do you bill a client for any law review articles you read? How about for reading up on what the bar association is changing wrt to new applicants? How about for mentoring an intern? Or any of the thousands of things you do stay current in your profession?
Again, most of these things are within the scope of my job and covered by my salary. If I wasn’t getting a paycheck for two months, I wouldn’t be doing these things because I wouldn’t be compensated for them. I stay up to date on my job because I’m paid and compensated to do so. I win a case—I make money. Also, why am I reading law review if I’m not using it to develop a legal basis for an argument for my client and therefore billing them.
Come on. You are comparing apples and oranges. I make a 12 month salary with bonuses and incentives for good work. Teachers make 10/11 month flat salary with not financial incentive to go above and beyond. Many still do, but that’s a choice they make.
I’m not going to sit here and call them lazy for not going to 40 hour a week trainings during the time they aren’t getting paid for it. I wouldn’t do it any other year. You want them in trainings than advocate year long rolling contracts.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 14:01
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
My ES will not be attending 30 minutes of "today is Tuesday, August 11, 2020." I can't not be present at telework in the mornings to supervise that waste of time again. We will do our best to attend LA and M. But I work FT and am a law student so my son's attendance at daily morning meetings is at the lowest priority level.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 13:47
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Do you bill a client for any law review articles you read? How about for reading up on what the bar association is changing wrt to new applicants? How about for mentoring an intern? Or any of the thousands of things you do stay current in your profession?
Anonymous
08/11/2020 13:07
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Who do you bill your CLE too?
That’s built into my salary that I make all 12 months. It’s not like I do CLE while the firm freezes my pay and tells me to go complete CLE. I’m also compensated with bonuses when cases win. Teachers: when your class does well on the SOL do you make extra money?
Anonymous
08/11/2020 12:37
Subject: Re:FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what do parents want? It seems there will be complaining either way. There were a ton of complaints that the time in the spring was not enough live time. The county gives you more live time and parents are still mad. You can’t have it both ways. The school district cannot please everyone!
Plus, I want to know how many of these people are also complaining that teachers are lazy and just don't want to work, and then announcing that their kids aren't even going to show up to classes.
People are just going to find crap to complain about.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 12:33
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Who do you bill your CLE too?
Anonymous
08/11/2020 11:28
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Lawyer here. I bill hours. Does that make me unprofessional? If I craft an email to or for a client, they get billed for my time and services. I don’t work out of the goodness of my heart. I work to get paid and put food on the table.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 11:25
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
And it shouldn’t. I’m not a teacher, but I’m not working if I’m not compensated. I’m a professional, and part of that means that I expect to be compensated for the job I do and the tenants that come with that job. I’m a nurse, and I’m paid for trainings that I attend. If not, I wouldn’t attend them because I don’t work for FREE. Stop equating free labor with professionalism. You can be good at your job and understand that you should be compensated for it at the same time.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 11:08
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
My one opinion didn’t settle anything but go on. I get you think you’ll make me feel like a bad teacher for not working 40 hour unpaid work weeks off contract but it won’t happen.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 10:33
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
That’s probably a fair way of looking at it. Teaching laborers vs teaching professionals.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 10:28
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
Anonymous wrote:I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
Well that settles the debate whether teachers are professionals or just laborers in a large education-industrial complex.
Anonymous
08/11/2020 09:05
Subject: FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?
I invest plenty in my career.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.
When I’m on contract. You are a CHUMP if you work contract hours for free for months at a time.