Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 21:17     Subject: Re:Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Yes, I would support a hard shut down. I would be fine with keeping grocery stores open if it made the shutdown more likely, though personally my family would just meal plan and stock up and literally just try to stay in the house unless we had an emergency. If doing this, followed by a mask mandate to last as long as it needs to, would get our numbers down to what we see in other countries that have dealt with major outbreaks, I am 100% for it. I think it would save a lot of lives, which is most important. But I also think it could potentially save our economy. I have friends in Europe who have essentially returned to normal life (kids in school, restaurants and bars open, people working in offices, etc.) because the virus is so well controlled. Thing of how many businesses this has saved, how many jobs in the service, travel and transport industries.

A two week shut down would be more than worth it if it would help get us to that point. I don't even think it would be that hard. I would prefer the certainty of it to the current situation.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 21:10     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
We all saw from another thread that prayer and ginger work! Why would be need another shut down when we can just shave some ginger on our food, and pray while we eat?
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 21:08     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Yes. 100%.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 20:52     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I literally can’t believe the ding dongs citing China. The govt there has the media on lockdown, so, yes, they can propagate any fantasy they want. This virus was circulating for months unchecked there...if you believe their death toll/infection numbers, you are honestly to stupid to function. Their “lockdown” was theater done to convince the rest of the world that they were controlling it. If their current numbers are true (pretty big if), it’s because the virus ripped through their country uncontrolled.



Right? I cannot believe how many people on here say we should be like China. Than we would live in an authoritarian regime and STILL see millions die of COVID. People actually think that China doesn't have thousands upon thousands of people dying from this every day? They do.


You guys can believe whatever you want to believe, but the thing is, people in China are having a normal life now. I recently chatted with a few friends live there and they all told me things are almost back to normal. The government is very serious about this virus and treat it not lighthearted at all.


Well if I lived in China, I’d say that too. Who knows if it’s true? What do you think the consequences are for contradicting government propaganda to westerners?

But, you know maybe things are back to normal there bc they’ve reached herd immunity.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 20:51     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Absolutely. We could all load up with enough supplies for a couple of weeks and stop the prolonging of this awful virus.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 20:48     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I literally can’t believe the ding dongs citing China. The govt there has the media on lockdown, so, yes, they can propagate any fantasy they want. This virus was circulating for months unchecked there...if you believe their death toll/infection numbers, you are honestly to stupid to function. Their “lockdown” was theater done to convince the rest of the world that they were controlling it. If their current numbers are true (pretty big if), it’s because the virus ripped through their country uncontrolled.



Right? I cannot believe how many people on here say we should be like China. Than we would live in an authoritarian regime and STILL see millions die of COVID. People actually think that China doesn't have thousands upon thousands of people dying from this every day? They do.


You guys can believe whatever you want to believe, but the thing is, people in China are having a normal life now. I recently chatted with a few friends live there and they all told me things are almost back to normal. The government is very serious about this virus and treat it not lighthearted at all.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 20:32     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
It won’t help

“ Lastly, government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.”

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 19:23     Subject: Re:Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: No. We did this before (someone is going to rush in and say it "wasn't the same", but it was close as we are going to get), and it doesn't "crush the virus". Just delays or pauses it for a bit.


Real talk but no one on DCUM will listen


Truth. This forum makes me despair for the critical thinking capacity of the American public.

I do think it's just magical thinking. They want to believe that there is something "smart" that we could have done to stop this. It reminds me of every time someone posts about a child that dies in some horrible accident and there are page and pages of posts blaming the parents and explaining why this would never happen to them or *their* child, because they're too *smart.* They don't want to accept that sh*t happens.


That's hilariously wrong. The "magical thinking" is coming from the opposite side, from people talking about McDonald's and car accidents and the flu. "It's fine! Send all the kids to school! They totes won't get sick anyway." Rolling the dice and playing the odds that the kid who gets sick and gets REALLY sick isn't their kid. It's like covidiot fan fiction.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 18:51     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

https://news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-leader-says-coronavirus-critical-100-cases-085636893.html

But the city had impressive success in tackling the disease, all but ending local transmissions by late June.

However, in the last two weeks, infections have spiked once more and doctors fear the new outbreak is now spreading undetected in the densely packed territory of 7.5 million people.

On Sunday chief executive Carrie Lam said more than 500 infections had been confirmed in the last fortnight alone, nearly a third since the outbreak began.




Hong Kong is worried about 500 new cases over a 14 day period. That's an average of 35 new cases per day. Hong Kong's population is 7 million. 35/7 million = 5/million

So they are FREAKING OUT over this large outbreak ---- FIVE NEW CASES PER MILLION PER DAY.

FIVE.

Maryland is at 125 new cases per million per day and we are still talking about whether we should cloe the bars.

Florida is at something like 500 new cases per million per day and they have Disneyworld open.

Hong Kong knows what the eff they are doing. YOU DON'T GET TO COMPARE US WITH HONG KONG.

They did everything right, they shit spread down, and now, when they see local outbreaks they work hard to eradicate them.

NO STATE IN THE US IS EVEN CLOSE TO 5 NEW CASES PER MILLION PER DAY.



+1


Can you read? It's not the 500 cases they're worried about. That's the tip of the iceberg. They are admitting that they've lost control.

The problem is that 40% of the people who have the virus have no symptoms. They're out spreading the virus around. Once you lose control of the "trace" part of the spread of cases, there's no stopping it. You'd have to test every single person basically every day. So, for those 500 that they know about, there's another 300 or so who are out happily and asymptomatically spreading virus. So shutting down only works as long as you're shut down. The minute you reopen, those asymptomatic people go out again.

They stopped SARS because it had a long incubation period in which people weren't contagious, and then only became contagious when they were symptomatic. You could ID all of the symptomatic people, and then test and trace. With covid, the spreaders can be anyone.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 18:38     Subject: Re:Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
No. All it would do is kick the can down the road (again), and not nearly far enough (widespread vaccination is a year away at the very best)

Have we learned nothing in the past months? Shutdowns don’t work. Especially not in the US (where people can and do travel freely between states- and that won’t change even if maybe it should)
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 18:28     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:I'd support. This will never happen in the US.

We need grocery stores, though.


No we don’t. I haven’t been to a store once since March. I use delivery exclusively, and people would definitely make is 2 weeks without a trip.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 17:28     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
YES to the hard shutdown.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 17:08     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

https://news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-leader-says-coronavirus-critical-100-cases-085636893.html

But the city had impressive success in tackling the disease, all but ending local transmissions by late June.

However, in the last two weeks, infections have spiked once more and doctors fear the new outbreak is now spreading undetected in the densely packed territory of 7.5 million people.

On Sunday chief executive Carrie Lam said more than 500 infections had been confirmed in the last fortnight alone, nearly a third since the outbreak began.




Hong Kong is worried about 500 new cases over a 14 day period. That's an average of 35 new cases per day. Hong Kong's population is 7 million. 35/7 million = 5/million

So they are FREAKING OUT over this large outbreak ---- FIVE NEW CASES PER MILLION PER DAY.

FIVE.

Maryland is at 125 new cases per million per day and we are still talking about whether we should cloe the bars.

Florida is at something like 500 new cases per million per day and they have Disneyworld open.

Hong Kong knows what the eff they are doing. YOU DON'T GET TO COMPARE US WITH HONG KONG.

They did everything right, they shit spread down, and now, when they see local outbreaks they work hard to eradicate them.

NO STATE IN THE US IS EVEN CLOSE TO 5 NEW CASES PER MILLION PER DAY.



+1
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 16:06     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So wait, my idea to open grocery stores with limited hours is autocratic and undemocratic, but the voice of reason is to outlaw diet coke and burgers?! Wow, and why do we need school to open? For this kind of logic?


Your idea is stupid bc it will lead to packed stores or people not being allowed to get food.

Ok, sure. Keep stores open from 6am till 8 am, like we did. Why did we need liquor stores open? Everything was done half-ass. We had fast food open, restaurants for take away, meaning all those people kept coming to work. Italy kept grocery stores, pharmacies, and banks open. Right now, we are out of options because we are too stupid. We can't work because kids can't go to school, we can't work because people will we either sick or dead. We have accomplished to kill the economy and to make the virus worse than ever. And we tried the exact opposite. So, don't know, surely there is an expert who knows better than me and you what we should do.


I agree. The fact the restaurant industry managed to convince people they were being patriotic bu ordering takeout was absurd. What it really meant was that restaurants workers had to risk their lives by going into work instead of being eligible for unemployment.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2020 16:06     Subject: Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?
Anonymous wrote:I literally can’t believe the ding dongs citing China. The govt there has the media on lockdown, so, yes, they can propagate any fantasy they want. This virus was circulating for months unchecked there...if you believe their death toll/infection numbers, you are honestly to stupid to function. Their “lockdown” was theater done to convince the rest of the world that they were controlling it. If their current numbers are true (pretty big if), it’s because the virus ripped through their country uncontrolled.



Right? I cannot believe how many people on here say we should be like China. Than we would live in an authoritarian regime and STILL see millions die of COVID. People actually think that China doesn't have thousands upon thousands of people dying from this every day? They do.