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Anonymous wrote:I'm half Irish and half Slav (both were oppressed and made slaves of England and the Roman empire). Where is my reparations?

Take it up with Parliment and the Vatican, otherwise you are barking up the wrong tree

Really? My grandfather used to tell us about the time when he would go looking for work in the city and businesses had signs sayng, "Help wanted. Irish need not apply." So again, where are reparations for Irish Americans?

For refusing to give you grandfather a job? How old are you? Welcome to reality of unemployment. Was your ancestor held in chains when he went looking for a job? Was he refused a seat on a train? Even if you are 60, your grandfather was likely born in early 1900, so truly by then Slav, Italian immigration replaced the Irish as victims of the slums and no jobs. As for the English treating Irish like subhuman, yep true. That is who Americans got it from.

Yeah, no. It's not the same thing. The US system was really not against your family for very long and it certainly isn't now.

I wouldn't say my family is owed reparations from the USA and I'm part Japanese and part Jewish (among other things, but those are the two relevant here). The slightly stronger argument is for the Japanese side due to the internment camps, though I still don't think it rises to nearly the level of oppression against black people or Native Americans. As for the Jewish side, that's much more complicated, but still -- at this point, the system itself is not built to push us down, despite anti-semitism that is rising to sort of scary levels right now.

This whole thing is tough. My family all came here through Ellis Island in the 1910s/1920s. Every single last name my family now has is fake because the Ellis Island officials told them "you won't get a job with that name." Was that tough? Absolutely. My mom and uncle were called Japs on the streets of NYC in the 50s.

But black people and Native Americans are still ahead of us in line for reparations, IMO.

So, you say the US certainly isn't against my family now. You know why? My grandfather eventually put together multiple low paying jobs and busted is butt to eventually come up with enough money to get his children some sort of training. Those children did the same with their children and so on. Not complicated.

Reparations could take the form of programs in all MC-UMC-wealthy communities throughout the country, bringing in black families and giving homeownership + education/training/childcare + cash.

So, please explain how this would work. And, what about those Black families who already are MC or UMC? Do they get their mortgages paid off and additional cash and childcare? You do realize that there are MC and UMC Black families, don't you?

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

How can the black community fix the wealth gap/economic inequality on its own?

Maybe they can ask Asians how they did it. Maybe a cross-race mentorship program or something.

Yeah. And maybe they can teach Asians and other recent immigrant communities to fight for their rights instead of running away to another country.

Thanks for demonstrating why African American community is so prone to failure. When shown an example of success, you respond with ridicule and dismissal, as if Africans have stopped "running away" to the US. Enjoy your broken neighborhoods filled with poverty, drugs, and violence.

Why are you assuming PP is African American who live in a broken neighborhood? It was a rude response but I'm not sure why you are assuming anything about PP's race and neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

How can the black community fix the wealth gap/economic inequality on its own?

Maybe they can ask Asians how they did it. Maybe a cross-race mentorship program or something.

Yeah. And maybe they can teach Asians and other recent immigrant communities to fight for their rights instead of running away to another country.

Thanks for demonstrating why African American community is so prone to failure. When shown an example of success, you respond with ridicule and dismissal, as if Africans have stopped "running away" to the US. Enjoy your broken neighborhoods filled with poverty, drugs, and violence.

Africans are running away too, which is exactly my point. Africans here are very successful. Along with Asians and several groups of recent immigrants.

We recent immigrants(I know it's hard for your ignorant mind to believe it) should be grateful to generations of AA who have made it possible for us to have the kind of success that we have in this country.

So while we are teaching them some of the skills that America denied to teach them for several generations, we can also learn some skills from them.

Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Anonymous wrote:If those on the left want reparations, let's liquidate their 401ks to pay for it.

Or eliminate the tax cuts for billionaires or eliminate the ridiculous loopholes...

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

How can the black community fix the wealth gap/economic inequality on its own?

Maybe they can ask Asians how they did it. Maybe a cross-race mentorship program or something.

Yeah. And maybe they can teach Asians and other recent immigrant communities to fight for their rights instead of running away to another country.

Asians did fight for their rights through hard work and education rather than by screaming, yelling, rioting, and complaining. And obviously, their way works better.

Yeah. Because without the civil rights era, they would be here in their current numbers. Go read up on the Immigration Act of 1917 and the Immigration Act of 1924.

It's embarrasing how ignorant you are.

The Asian exclusion acts of the early 1900s were repealed by the Immigration Act of 1952, which was lobbied heavily by Asian American organizations. Also, Chinese American immigration did not pickup until the opening up of mainland China in the late 1980s, which was a direct result of Nixon's visit to China to establish diplomatic relationships in 1972.

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

How can the black community fix the wealth gap/economic inequality on its own?

Maybe they can ask Asians how they did it. Maybe a cross-race mentorship program or something.

Yeah. And maybe they can teach Asians and other recent immigrant communities to fight for their rights instead of running away to another country.

No, mobility is key to individual success. When you're stuck in a dead-end neighborhood with no jobs and no prospects, move. That's how to generate wealth, in this country and everywhere.

I have thought about mobility too.

Reparations could take the form of programs in all MC-UMC-wealthy communities throughout the country, bringing in black families and giving homeownership + education/training/childcare + cash.

Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

Also. since about one in five of the slaves in the US were white, how do you go about identifying those people? What about black Americans who are not descendants of slaves?

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Anonymous wrote:Time to stop feeding the OP.

It's a tough conversation. A shame you aren't willing to engage.

Not tough. Really dumb.
Especially when you consider the author of the article you linked in your OP.

13 pages of thread on reparations.

Jason, where’s the deleting and blocking?

Anonymous wrote:Time to stop feeding the OP.

It's a tough conversation. A shame you aren't willing to engage.

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

How can the black community fix the wealth gap/economic inequality on its own?

Maybe they can ask Asians how they did it. Maybe a cross-race mentorship program or something.

Yeah. And maybe they can teach Asians and other recent immigrant communities to fight for their rights instead of running away to another country.

Thanks for demonstrating why African American community is so prone to failure. When shown an example of success, you respond with ridicule and dismissal, as if Africans have stopped "running away" to the US. Enjoy your broken neighborhoods filled with poverty, drugs, and violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

How can the black community fix the wealth gap/economic inequality on its own?

Maybe they can ask Asians how they did it. Maybe a cross-race mentorship program or something.

This. Again, it is hard work, education, no drugs, no out of wedlock pregnancies, and delayed gratification. If the black community can do these things, many of their problems can be solved. But they have to be the ones to do it.

https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/what-we-get-wrong.pdf

pages 37-41

To suggest that blacks, racialized Latinos and Native Americans should emulate other supposedly successful “minority” groups perpetuates, the false narrative that their asset poverty is due to a lack of hard work, effort, or ambition.

Anonymous wrote:A financial payout will probably not work.

Look at what happens when people win the lottery.

Help has to come in the form of support for education and everyday support for black businesses and neighborhoods. And this education has to include financial literacy, family counseling, business literacy etc.

That is not enough.

https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/what-we-get-wrong.pdf

"In 2018, Duke University’s Samuel DuBois Cook Center on Social Equity and the Insight Center for Community Economic Development published a report called “What We Get Wrong About Closing the Racial Wealth Gap” that examined the common misperceptions about the causes of the racial wealth gap and presented data and social-science research that refutes them all.

The study shows that the racial wealth gap is not about poverty. Poor white families earning less than $27,000 a year hold nearly the same amount of wealth as black families earning between $48,000 and $76,000 annually. It’s not because of black spending habits. Black Americans have lower incomes over all but save at a slightly higher rate than white Americans with similar incomes. It’s not that black people need to value education more. Black parents, when controlling for household type and socioeconomic status, actually offer more financial support for their children’s higher education than white parents do, according to the study. And some studies have shown that black youths, when compared with white youths whose parents have similar incomes and education levels, are actually more likely to go to college and earn additional credentials.

But probably most astounding to many Americans is that college simply does not pay off for black Americans the way it does for other groups. Black college graduates are about as likely to be unemployed as white Americans with a high school diploma, and black Americans with a college education hold less wealth than white Americans who have not even completed high school. Further, because black families hold almost no wealth to begin with, black students are the most likely to borrow money to pay for college and then to borrow more. That debt, in turn, means that black students cannot start saving immediately upon graduation like their less-debt-burdened peers.

It’s not a lack of homeownership. While it’s true that black Americans have the lowest homeownership rates in the nation, simply owning a home is not the same asset that it is for white Americans. Black Americans get higher mortgage rates even with equal credit worthiness, and homes in black neighborhoods do not appreciate at the same rate as those in white areas, because housing prices are still driven by the racial makeup of communities. As the Duke University economist William Darity Jr., the study’s lead author, points out, the ability to purchase a home in the first place is seldom a result of just the hard work and frugality of the buyer. “It’s actually parental and grandparental wealth that facilitates the acquisition of a home.”

It’s not because a majority of black families are led by a single mother. White single women with children hold the same amount of wealth as single black women with no children, and the typical white single parent has twice the wealth of the typical two-parent black family.

To summarize, none of the actions we are told black people must take if they want to “lift themselves” out of poverty and gain financial stability — not marrying, not getting educated, not saving more, not owning a home — can mitigate 400 years of racialized plundering. Wealth begets wealth, and white Americans have had centuries of government assistance to accumulate wealth, while the government has for the vast history of this country worked against black Americans doing the same."