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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

There have to be multiple plans in place or we will get caught with our pants down if school is not possible. At the end of Feb, I attended a meeting with several higher ups in Central Office. I asked them, of the record, if they thought MCPS would really close. They all said no. That tells me that within two weeks of closing, the attitude was that it wasn’t necessary to take seriously any contingency plans.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Given the physical buildings and buses we have available in the county, if we declare that all kids will go to school in person in the fall, then social distancing is essentially over. If our state and county health officials determine social distancing can be over, then cool. But there is truly no point to setting limits on the number of people who can be in groups, in restaurants, in gyms, etc. if you are going to open schools normally.

OK, if you can't accomplish kids going to school in the fall without ending social distancing in schools, then we end social distancing in schools. The benefits of kids in school outweigh the costs.

I know that you feel otherwise but your children’s lives are no more important than anyone else’s. Even if that person is eighty years old or 45 and a cancer survivor. Your children are not less important, but no, them going back to school full time so you can work is not more important than mitigating the spread of the pandemic. We will not be ending social distancing in schools. I’m a teacher and I’m not throwing caution to the wind to appease you. You are free to go out and expose yourself and your children to the virus at will but you can not demand that other people be reckless and foolish enough to do so.

Once again, the public health implications of people not working are serious. Not sure why there are so many posters who dismiss this. There’s data showing that outcomes from other ailments - diabetes, heart disease, and depression, for example are worsening because people are not getting the treatment they need, don’t have money for medications, and/or are fearful of getting to a doctor because of overstated risks of doing so. Never mind the health implications of stress, hunger, and homelessness when people are unemployed and cannot go back to work because they have young children to care for. No, not everybody can afford a nanny and that doesn’t make them less qualified to be parents.

Lastly, people at risk - like my husband - are responsible for minimizing that risk for themselves. Shutting down schools isn’t the sensible solution to that. Period.

And back to the evidence that kids aren’t vectors and reopening schools is happening globally and happening effectively. We need to do the same.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

But we won't be "in the middle of a pandemic". The numbers are declining everywhere despite things opening up.

That’s just not true. Cases are climbing in the south and west where things first opened up. I’m for reopening schools with social distancing measures.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Exactly. Well said. And data is increasingly showing that A) kids are not vectors and B) Basic precautions can prevent transmission. Let’s figure out how to make back to school happen instead of immediately defaulting to online options. Kids need to go back to school.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Given the physical buildings and buses we have available in the county, if we declare that all kids will go to school in person in the fall, then social distancing is essentially over. If our state and county health officials determine social distancing can be over, then cool. But there is truly no point to setting limits on the number of people who can be in groups, in restaurants, in gyms, etc. if you are going to open schools normally.

OK, if you can't accomplish kids going to school in the fall without ending social distancing in schools, then we end social distancing in schools. The benefits of kids in school outweigh the costs.

I know that you feel otherwise but your children’s lives are no more important than anyone else’s. Even if that person is eighty years old or 45 and a cancer survivor. Your children are not less important, but no, them going back to school full time so you can work is not more important than mitigating the spread of the pandemic. We will not be ending social distancing in schools. I’m a teacher and I’m not throwing caution to the wind to appease you. You are free to go out and expose yourself and your children to the virus at will but you can not demand that other people be reckless and foolish enough to do so.

NP. I want my kids to go to school. But the reason is not so that I can go to work. My spouse is stay at home. The reason I want my kids to go to school is to get education for my kids and to end the physical and psychological toll on them. We come to the stage where the cure is worse than the disease.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

But we won't be "in the middle of a pandemic". The numbers are declining everywhere despite things opening up.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Given the physical buildings and buses we have available in the county, if we declare that all kids will go to school in person in the fall, then social distancing is essentially over. If our state and county health officials determine social distancing can be over, then cool. But there is truly no point to setting limits on the number of people who can be in groups, in restaurants, in gyms, etc. if you are going to open schools normally.

OK, if you can't accomplish kids going to school in the fall without ending social distancing in schools, then we end social distancing in schools. The benefits of kids in school outweigh the costs.

I know that you feel otherwise but your children’s lives are no more important than anyone else’s. Even if that person is eighty years old or 45 and a cancer survivor. Your children are not less important, but no, them going back to school full time so you can work is not more important than mitigating the spread of the pandemic. We will not be ending social distancing in schools. I’m a teacher and I’m not throwing caution to the wind to appease you. You are free to go out and expose yourself and your children to the virus at will but you can not demand that other people be reckless and foolish enough to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Given the physical buildings and buses we have available in the county, if we declare that all kids will go to school in person in the fall, then social distancing is essentially over. If our state and county health officials determine social distancing can be over, then cool. But there is truly no point to setting limits on the number of people who can be in groups, in restaurants, in gyms, etc. if you are going to open schools normally.

OK, if you can't accomplish kids going to school in the fall without ending social distancing in schools, then we end social distancing in schools. The benefits of kids in school outweigh the costs.

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Also, research is showing that closing schools doesn’t even provide much protection in terms of community spread. Despite the crazies who want to stay in their basements forever, the statistics just won’t support keeping schools closed in fall.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Given the physical buildings and buses we have available in the county, if we declare that all kids will go to school in person in the fall, then social distancing is essentially over. If our state and county health officials determine social distancing can be over, then cool. But there is truly no point to setting limits on the number of people who can be in groups, in restaurants, in gyms, etc. if you are going to open schools normally.

OK, if you can't accomplish kids going to school in the fall without ending social distancing in schools, then we end social distancing in schools. The benefits of kids in school outweigh the costs.

Watch the governor and state BOE not want to catch blame and responsibility in the Fall. They will probably let individual counties and their health departments decide. Remember MCPS doesn’t get to decide things except how to do what they are allowed to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Given the physical buildings and buses we have available in the county, if we declare that all kids will go to school in person in the fall, then social distancing is essentially over. If our state and county health officials determine social distancing can be over, then cool. But there is truly no point to setting limits on the number of people who can be in groups, in restaurants, in gyms, etc. if you are going to open schools normally.

First, there is no comparison between the priority of opening schools versus opening gyms, restaurants etc.
Second, by now we know that kids have very low risk of having Covid-19 complications themselves, even less than flu. Only adults would need to protect themselves, most probably among themselves. I would think that would be easier to accomplish.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Given the physical buildings and buses we have available in the county, if we declare that all kids will go to school in person in the fall, then social distancing is essentially over. If our state and county health officials determine social distancing can be over, then cool. But there is truly no point to setting limits on the number of people who can be in groups, in restaurants, in gyms, etc. if you are going to open schools normally.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

PP, I agree with you that it's not simple.

But I think that MCPS needs to start with the premise "kids will go to school in the fall" and then figure out how to accomplish that.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.

Careful, PP. You’re sounding too rational and realistic for the average DCUM poster!

I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is so simple. “Ugh, why is this so hard!” “Duh, they just have to go back to school!”

I am a parent and a teacher and I am here to tell you that this is complicated. It’s not simple. Putting 500-3000 wiggly, non-rule following humans in a tight space every day in the middle of a pandemic is a challenge. Even if they tend to be asymptomatic. Even if you have to go to work. If we are going to have a real conversation about what needs to happen to open, people on both sides need to agree on the basics.