jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all about testing. Until we can do what Germany and South Korea have done we can’t open.

Germany had one of the strictest lockdown restrictions of anywhere in Europe and still had the 3rd most cases in Europe, on par with France. The difference between these countries is the average age infected in S. Korea was in their 20s, Germany 49 and France 62.

Nobody knows how many cases countries have because no country is testing everyone and there are a lot of asymptomatic carriers. Countries that do more testing find more cases. Germany’s death rate is much lower.

True, and more testing has been showing more positives without symptoms than previously thought, lowering the overall mortality rate, as you state above for Germany.

Also, per this NYT article, and I've seen this elsewhere, the avg age of those infected are resulting in significantly different mortality rates, like the difference between Italy and France versus Germany.

The average age of those infected is lower in Germany than in many other countries. Many of the early patients caught the virus in Austrian and Italian ski resorts and were relatively young and healthy, Professor Kräusslich said.

“It started as an epidemic of skiers,” he said.

As infections have spread, more older people have been hit and the death rate, only 0.2 percent two weeks ago, has risen, too. But the average age of contracting the disease remains relatively low, at 49. In France, it is 62.5 and in Italy 62, according to their latest national reports.

jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Which WHO test are you referring to?
2. Where exactly are these WHO tests?

I am not sure if you are just being argumentative or you really want to know. But a German laboratory developed a coronavirus test that was adopted by the WHO and offered to other countries. The US developed its own test which was initially flawed. I am not sure which countries are using the WHO test now, but I believe Germany is since it was developed there.

Am very interested in more info about this German test. Is there a name to it, or a company name?

Roche Molecular Systems

FDA approved mid-March: https://www.medtechdive.com/news/coronavirus-roche-test-fda-emergency-use/574073/

That perfectly demonstrates the problem. We should have been testing from January. Trump cost us the entire month of February and half of March downplaying the epidemic.

First, part of "reopening" is the testing component you keep talking about. Nobody is saying we are going to resume normal life tomorrow. It is a phased approach that involves testing, hospital capacity, PPE and the list goes on. If you heard the FDA said they were doing full contact tracing, etc. our West when this first was discovered in US. Then it got out of hand and they changed course but I believe Washington state continued which is why their numbers are on the lower end. Contact tracing is also part of the reopening plan. Testing every single person every single day is not going to happen nor is it necessary. I am honestly not sure why you keep saying millions will die and we shouldn't open up parts of the economy with all these things in place.
Fauci & Birx are not under "political" pressure and said so. Come on man.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s all about testing. Until we can do what Germany and South Korea have done we can’t open.

Germany had one of the strictest lockdown restrictions of anywhere in Europe and still had the 3rd most cases in Europe, on par with France. The difference between these countries is the average age infected in S. Korea was in their 20s, Germany 49 and France 62.

Nobody knows how many cases countries have because no country is testing everyone and there are a lot of asymptomatic carriers. Countries that do more testing find more cases. Germany’s death rate is much lower.

Again even if we open tommorow or May or whatever arbitrary date set that doesn't have any robust data point behind (Trump wants to see a two week decline in cases but by what metric? Per capita cases? Percentages?) A lot of people including myself are not going to break isolation.

Without more extensive testing/trace you are going to see a recovery funded by the economically desparate and by magats/covdiots and then there will be a rebound outbreak

Anonymous wrote:If people are sick, they should stay home. If you decide to go out, protect yourself to the max in every possible way.

Personal responsibility, people.
Personal responsibility.
This is not china.

That would work if we didn't have so many aysomptomaric spreaders

Anonymous wrote:It’s all about testing. Until we can do what Germany and South Korea have done we can’t open.

Germany had one of the strictest lockdown restrictions of anywhere in Europe and still had the 3rd most cases in Europe, on par with France. The difference between these countries is the average age infected in S. Korea was in their 20s, Germany 49 and France 62.

So, you want Trump to become the authoritarian dictator you have always claimed he is and decree that all non essential businesses in all 50 states must remain closed for another year and a half?
So, forget the governors?

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Anonymous wrote:This ain't China. Not yet, anyways.

If it were, we’d be testing.

Really?

Yes. It may be horrible in other ways but China efficiently limited the spread. Partially because of extensive testing.

Very funny!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself, 22:30.

It's obvious.

I used to vote for Republicans. Never again.

You voted for them in 2018?

Of course not. I am not an idiot.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself, 22:30.

It's obvious.

I used to vote for Republicans. Never again.

You voted for them in 2018?

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Anonymous wrote:The US can’t afford to test everyone. It’s ok to sacrifice some in the name of money.

I agree. All Trump supporters should go back to work and out in the community first, to sacrifice themselves for their country and their beloved inept leader.

That’s not nice.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This ain't China. Not yet, anyways.

If it were, we’d be testing.

Really?

Yes. It may be horrible in other ways but China efficiently limited the spread. Partially because of extensive testing.

Well, the harm their govt did prior to that was the real problem.

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Anonymous wrote:The US can’t afford to test everyone. It’s ok to sacrifice some in the name of money.

I agree. All Trump supporters should go back to work and out in the community first, to sacrifice themselves for their country and their beloved inept leader.

+1

Thank you for your service, MAGAs.

Thoughts & prayers.

Anonymous wrote:The US can’t afford to test everyone. It’s ok to sacrifice some in the name of money.

I agree. All Trump supporters should go back to work and out in the community first, to sacrifice themselves for their country and their beloved inept leader.

The US can’t afford to test everyone. It’s ok to sacrifice some in the name of money.