Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 11:31     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:I feel like this forum has gotten hijacked by unhappy MCPS teachers. We should have a thread for area teachers to bitch to each other, and a separate one for parents to share info/discuss. Like the nanny board.


I rather hear from teachers than parents.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 10:46     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:I feel like this forum has gotten hijacked by unhappy MCPS teachers. We should have a thread for area teachers to bitch to each other, and a separate one for parents to share info/discuss. Like the nanny board.


Tells me that the school system has pretty crappy leadership.

Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 10:45     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:They need a special school for kids that don't belong in a mainstream classroom. I'd like to think these are extreme cases. My kids go to a focus school and have never had experiences like the ones on this thread.


What grades? Dig a little deeper. Seriously. Ask your kids if there are any kids who have been in fights or act out by yelling in class. You might find out more about what is actually going on.

Or, maybe you are super fortunate and don’t have any issues at your school. Which I find surprising, because this seems to come up in Focus Schools and Title 1 schools AND the W schools.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 10:11     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Lord-of-the-Flies-Attacks-bullying-chaos-15055098.php

A profile of another school struggling with budget cuts and how to implement restorative justice.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 09:58     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
They need a special school for kids that don't belong in a mainstream classroom. I'd like to think these are extreme cases. My kids go to a focus school and have never had experiences like the ones on this thread.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 08:56     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.


There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.


A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.


With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?


It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.


I agree. I volunteer with ED classes and the teachers are constantly setting off the kids in our class. Guess what, his mom is back in jail, he's having a bad day... don't yell at him for not picking up his feet when he walks. FFS!


What do you mean by "setting off" ? We're talking about older kids (middle school+ or even upper elementary) who set off the classroom in a massive way by making it impossible to teach, not someone's gait.


I'm talking about, them talking back to a teacher. I am talking about upper elementary and middle.

Most teachers are not trained to deal with kids with emotional issues and their actions set off kids to talk back and be disruptive. Even when warned, it's a bad day, they are so fricken nit picky. and yes, it's little things like.. pick up your feet, sit up straight, move your backpack... like come on, let it go... some kids are emotionally fragile and some teachers are nags and it sets kids off.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 08:36     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.


There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.


A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.


With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?


It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.


I agree. I volunteer with ED classes and the teachers are constantly setting off the kids in our class. Guess what, his mom is back in jail, he's having a bad day... don't yell at him for not picking up his feet when he walks. FFS!


What do you mean by "setting off" ? We're talking about older kids (middle school+ or even upper elementary) who set off the classroom in a massive way by making it impossible to teach, not someone's gait.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 08:34     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Separate schools for bad kids.

Like it used to be. Stop interrupting the education of the good kids.

Stop electing liberals in the school system!


What is a "bad" kid and how old does a child need to be before we label them "bad?"

There is research showing that Black preschoolers are about 3.5 times as likely to be suspended from school as non-Black preschoolers.

What do we even do with that? Obviously there's a problem with the system, because these are children that are not yet school-aged and they are already subject to disproportionate punishments.

Even if we assume that those kids are actually acting out and that there are not subtle issues of unconscious bias in play, is it appropriate to suspend a 3 year-old? If that 3 year-old is acting out so badly that she needs suspension, shouldn't the school be doing something to help her before it gets to that point?


We were discussing middle schoolers who yell, swear, and threaten other kids and teachers, NOT 3 year olds... Your argument doesn't apply
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 07:41     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.


There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.


A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.


With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?


It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.


I agree. I volunteer with ED classes and the teachers are constantly setting off the kids in our class. Guess what, his mom is back in jail, he's having a bad day... don't yell at him for not picking up his feet when he walks. FFS!
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 07:32     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:Separate schools for bad kids.

Like it used to be. Stop interrupting the education of the good kids.

Stop electing liberals in the school system!


What is a "bad" kid and how old does a child need to be before we label them "bad?"

There is research showing that Black preschoolers are about 3.5 times as likely to be suspended from school as non-Black preschoolers.

What do we even do with that? Obviously there's a problem with the system, because these are children that are not yet school-aged and they are already subject to disproportionate punishments.

Even if we assume that those kids are actually acting out and that there are not subtle issues of unconscious bias in play, is it appropriate to suspend a 3 year-old? If that 3 year-old is acting out so badly that she needs suspension, shouldn't the school be doing something to help her before it gets to that point?
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2020 07:25     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this forum has gotten hijacked by unhappy MCPS teachers. We should have a thread for area teachers to bitch to each other, and a separate one for parents to share info/discuss. Like the nanny board.


Don't you think there's cause to be concerned if there are this many unhappy MCPS teachers? WTF is going on?


Consider that MCPS has over 13,000 teachers across 208 schools.


There are a lot of nannies, too
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 22:46     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like this forum has gotten hijacked by unhappy MCPS teachers. We should have a thread for area teachers to bitch to each other, and a separate one for parents to share info/discuss. Like the nanny board.


Don't you think there's cause to be concerned if there are this many unhappy MCPS teachers? WTF is going on?


Consider that MCPS has over 13,000 teachers across 208 schools.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 22:18     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:I feel like this forum has gotten hijacked by unhappy MCPS teachers. We should have a thread for area teachers to bitch to each other, and a separate one for parents to share info/discuss. Like the nanny board.


Don't you think there's cause to be concerned if there are this many unhappy MCPS teachers? WTF is going on?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 21:19     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
I feel like this forum has gotten hijacked by unhappy MCPS teachers. We should have a thread for area teachers to bitch to each other, and a separate one for parents to share info/discuss. Like the nanny board.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 20:41     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.


There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.


A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.


With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?



It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.


Well that's rich. They're losing the good ones they've got and can't replace them. They just appointed someone to a full time director job traveling to puerto rico and internationally and just to find new teacher bodies. They'd be better off working on retaining the ones they've got. And yes, there are plenty of bad ones too. Don't worry. Those ones will stay no matter what because they've got no other options.