Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 20:46     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.


OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!


I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.


We are well aware. But we are not fans of frivolous asylum claims that have no basis in international law that are filed for the sole purpose of obtaining employment authorization and that merely contributes to the severe backlog in the system and weakens the protections available for true, bona fide refugees. Get it now, arrogant Gen Xer?


Someone is arrogant, not me. Just face it, you are racist.


Absolutely not. Like many Americans, I simply don’t like to see our asylum process abused in ways that weaken it. It’s like the people who bring emotional support animals on airplanes, which weakens the system that was designed for the truly disabled.


Our process was not abused. What is abuse is taking people who are here legally, following our amnesty rules, and separating children from parents in concentration camps. THAT is abuse. And that it is okay with you because the people are brown is racist. Anyone okay with it is racist.

There is no other answer.

It is MORE expensive to detain people in this way -but of course that money is getting paid to companies owned by Trump supporters. Kids have gone missing because they were adopted out via de vos's fake christian adoption agencies.

Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 20:40     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.


OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!


I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.


We are well aware. But we are not fans of frivolous asylum claims that have no basis in international law that are filed for the sole purpose of obtaining employment authorization and that merely contributes to the severe backlog in the system and weakens the protections available for true, bona fide refugees. Get it now, arrogant Gen Xer?


Someone is arrogant, not me. Just face it, you are racist.


Absolutely not. Like many Americans, I simply don’t like to see our asylum process abused in ways that weaken it. It’s like the people who bring emotional support animals on airplanes, which weakens the system that was designed for the truly disabled.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 20:37     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.


OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!


I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.


We are well aware. But we are not fans of frivolous asylum claims that have no basis in international law that are filed for the sole purpose of obtaining employment authorization and that merely contributes to the severe backlog in the system and weakens the protections available for true, bona fide refugees. Get it now, arrogant Gen Xer?


Someone is arrogant, not me. Just face it, you are racist.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 20:35     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.


OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!


I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.


We are well aware. But we are not fans of frivolous asylum claims that have no basis in international law that are filed for the sole purpose of obtaining employment authorization and that merely contributes to the severe backlog in the system and weakens the protections available for true, bona fide refugees. Get it now, arrogant Gen Xer?
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 19:20     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.


OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!


I'm Gen X. We need better education in schools since people don't know that it is legal to seek amnesty and that people who are here who are seeking amnesty are not here illegally.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 18:06     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.


OK Boomer! And also, thanks for giving us this mess in the first place!
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:48     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Once you say "illegal" and "broke our laws" it means you don't know what amnesty is. You can take this opportunity to learn. It will be good for your brain.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:47     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Donald trump was elected because he won some states electoral votes through voter suppression and he won some states electoral votes through microhacking targeting individuals (funded by Russia).
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and had more votes than any white male presidential candidate - EVER. Barack Obama won with more votes than Hillary Clinton.

So please don't rant on about how Trump got elected because he let people's racist and sexist flags fly high. That isn't how he got elected.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:43     Subject: I don’t get DACA

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We have an amnesty program that was working that didn't involve separating families (and was LESS EXPENSIVE than the camps we have now). We have DACA and dreamers who should get green cards. It isn't possible to "save the world" but these decisions to hurt these people are not because of anything to do with money or making the US safe or ANYTIHNG - they are about racism. There is a white supremacist in the white house. There is a white nationalist crafting the policies the WH is putting out and choosing judges. This is a mess and it all comes back to racism.



Yea it was working alright, it was working for people who broke our laws, rewarding their behavior. It was not working for people in the US who ear wages at or below middle-class levels, as they are the most impacted by the flood of low-skilled immigration that compete for jobs and suppressed wage growth. This is why Donald Trump was elected, because immigration policies were *NOT* working for MAJORITY of Americans. It's your perogative to call people you disagree with "racist" but we know that you are the true racist because you are the one who sees every problem in the context of skin color.


I don't think you understand what amnesty means. Please look it up and come back.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:41     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:

We have an amnesty program that was working that didn't involve separating families (and was LESS EXPENSIVE than the camps we have now). We have DACA and dreamers who should get green cards. It isn't possible to "save the world" but these decisions to hurt these people are not because of anything to do with money or making the US safe or ANYTIHNG - they are about racism. There is a white supremacist in the white house. There is a white nationalist crafting the policies the WH is putting out and choosing judges. This is a mess and it all comes back to racism.



Yea it was working alright, it was working for people who broke our laws, rewarding their behavior. It was not working for people in the US who ear wages at or below middle-class levels, as they are the most impacted by the flood of low-skilled immigration that compete for jobs and suppressed wage growth. This is why Donald Trump was elected, because immigration policies were *NOT* working for MAJORITY of Americans. It's your perogative to call people you disagree with "racist" but we know that you are the true racist because you are the one who sees every problem in the context of skin color.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:35     Subject: I don’t get DACA

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How what can be done? Secure our borders? Build the wall. Physical barrier is not 100% effective, but it will be effective enough.


“In Eastern Kentucky's Red River Gorge area, an 18-foot replica of President Donald Trump's border wall is being scaled not only by experienced mountain climbers, but by novices and young children.

One climber even scaled it while juggling.”

https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/3922494002?__twitter_impression=true


You are mis-representing what's shown in the video. They very clearly said that it's an "intermediary" climb. The old guy said you need "some good hands to climb this". It is not a climb for beginners. The 5 foot-tall flat section is difficult to overcome without climbing experience. They do not show young children and novices climbing it.

Also, the guy that was juggling only went up the post part, he did not scale the whole thing. The challenge is not the post part, but overcoming the flat portion at the top.

Lastly, it's easy to sit there and talk about climbing a 18 foot tall fence while wearing climbing shoes, safety harness, belaying lines tied to a previously mounted anchor point, a helmet, and no physical exertion leading up to the climb.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:29     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:24     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:
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The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.


ok . . .

So here's a response to your simplistic post.

I am not responsible for the sins of the father. But, I never rubber stamped any of those measures either. So while this country interfered, at what point do we shut down the past and move on?

We have our own problems here. We talk about gang warfare in El Salvador. What about our inner cities? ever teach in an urban school, folks? It's pretty ugly on many days . . .

But yeah - let's blame the GOP and keep enabling people to break laws.


You added exactly zero to the conversation. We disrupted the countries. And we (through our massive outsized contributions to global warming) have disrupted and are continuing to disrupt other countries. Global migration because of climate change is happening now and it will only get worse. These sins are yours and mine. They aren't our parents'.


Np. I actually agree with you but I hesitate to equate contributing to global warming with genuine exploitation that was done years ago... But let's just say that it is the fault of the US that other countries are in such bad shape. We simply don't have the capability to save everyone. It's just the way the world works. It doesn't make it fair or make it morally right, and no, it doesn't mean you stop trying to do what you can, but when are we going to be able to have a realistic conversation? I'm a democrat but I get really frustrated that it seems like so many of these debates don't ever get anywhere because we want to pretend like we should stop at nothing to right our wrongs. We HAVE to stop somewhere, because we don't have unlimited resources to help the entire world.


We have an amnesty program that was working that didn't involve separating families (and was LESS EXPENSIVE than the camps we have now). We have DACA and dreamers who should get green cards. It isn't possible to "save the world" but these decisions to hurt these people are not because of anything to do with money or making the US safe or ANYTIHNG - they are about racism. There is a white supremacist in the white house. There is a white nationalist crafting the policies the WH is putting out and choosing judges. This is a mess and it all comes back to racism.

Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 16:20     Subject: I don’t get DACA

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The US destabilized these countries that people are coming from now for our own purposes. NOW you think we should mind our own business and no longer let people go through the legal process of applying for amnesty?

Typical GOP. It all comes down to race, doesn't it.


ok . . .

So here's a response to your simplistic post.

I am not responsible for the sins of the father. But, I never rubber stamped any of those measures either. So while this country interfered, at what point do we shut down the past and move on?

We have our own problems here. We talk about gang warfare in El Salvador. What about our inner cities? ever teach in an urban school, folks? It's pretty ugly on many days . . .

But yeah - let's blame the GOP and keep enabling people to break laws.


You added exactly zero to the conversation. We disrupted the countries. And we (through our massive outsized contributions to global warming) have disrupted and are continuing to disrupt other countries. Global migration because of climate change is happening now and it will only get worse. These sins are yours and mine. They aren't our parents'.


Np. I actually agree with you but I hesitate to equate contributing to global warming with genuine exploitation that was done years ago... But let's just say that it is the fault of the US that other countries are in such bad shape. We simply don't have the capability to save everyone. It's just the way the world works. It doesn't make it fair or make it morally right, and no, it doesn't mean you stop trying to do what you can, but when are we going to be able to have a realistic conversation? I'm a democrat but I get really frustrated that it seems like so many of these debates don't ever get anywhere because we want to pretend like we should stop at nothing to right our wrongs. We HAVE to stop somewhere, because we don't have unlimited resources to help the entire world.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2019 14:09     Subject: I don’t get DACA

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Anonymous wrote:DACA can and should be eliminated with a beautiful stroke of a pen; then the clock starts ticking for congress to get off its ass and reform immigration....about 30 years late but better late than never.


+1 million

All of us should want immigration reform. Meaningful, thoughtful immigration reform. Democrats and Republicans should recognize that the American people want them to take care of this.



YES! We only want white "models" from eastern europe!