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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

But households also include kids too young for school (and therefore FARMs) and adults too old. There are students who bring home part of their school lunch to feed younger siblings.

I've never seen that and I've been in high-FARMs high schools for the bulk of my career. Maybe younger kids do that.

makes sense, however

Not really. The majority of kids too young to be in school were born here, so Mom has both a WIC card and a SNAP card. For those families totally illegal, there are many, many nonprofits and food pantries. No babies are starving back at the house.

You have to know how to apply and get those resources and its not that easy. Its a very small amount if its just for the kids and not the adults. You couldn't live off that. There are absolutely kids who starve.

DP

Posts like this make me think there are people who post here who have zero actual experience in Montgomery County. MoCo does make it very, very easy to access free services. Especially for kids. And oftentimes, the people who use these services know exactly how to work the system to their advantage. Immigrant communities have strong networks to transmit information. Lower income kids in MCPS are not starving.

Its not as easy as you think. Have you used benefits? Have you applied for services? I've worked in the system for many years and needed to use the services for family members. I can fill out the forms without any effort but for many, they are not that easy. There are income qualifications, many documents and other qualifications. You don't walk in and just get them. My family member got medicaid and food stamps in another state but when she moved here to live with us she only got food stamps. It took me months to get her on LTC medicaid and it wasn't easy. I gave my spouse an application and he looked at me and said here, you do it. And, imagine those who don't speak, read or write in english well. We do have people starving. We have people barely surviving. There are pockets of tent cities in Rockville and other areas but they are kept hidden. You may not see them in your million dollar community but they are there. Plenty of kids go without basics like glasses, food and clothing. You have no experience in MoCo.

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What?

This is a response?

You clearly don't know what poverty is like, and you haven't been around an "underclass" of kids who are indeed suffering from obesity due to lack of proper nutrition and reliance upon institutionalized foods.

But thanks for playing.

You lose, however.

Carry on with your stereotypical assumptions and anecdotes. And insults.

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

But households also include kids too young for school (and therefore FARMs) and adults too old. There are students who bring home part of their school lunch to feed younger siblings.

I've never seen that and I've been in high-FARMs high schools for the bulk of my career. Maybe younger kids do that.

makes sense, however

Not really. The majority of kids too young to be in school were born here, so Mom has both a WIC card and a SNAP card. For those families totally illegal, there are many, many nonprofits and food pantries. No babies are starving back at the house.

You have to know how to apply and get those resources and its not that easy. Its a very small amount if its just for the kids and not the adults. You couldn't live off that. There are absolutely kids who starve.

DP

Posts like this make me think there are people who post here who have zero actual experience in Montgomery County. MoCo does make it very, very easy to access free services. Especially for kids. And oftentimes, the people who use these services know exactly how to work the system to their advantage. Immigrant communities have strong networks to transmit information. Lower income kids in MCPS are not starving.

Not famine in Yemen type starving, but they do experience food insecurity and a lot of kids are stuffed with cheap carbs to pacify their hunger. They end up getting diabetes while also experiencing malnutrition. I grew up this way in the inner city so I know that a plate of rice for dinner is not how a child should be raised. I had to be treated for malnutrition when I arrived at college. Campus Health had no idea how to treat some of the conditions I had. They had to refer me to Children’s Hospital which had a doctor who specialized in foreign adoptees.

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Blame HHS - https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=70

their statistics

Obesity and Hispanic Americans
Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women.
In 2015, Hispanic Americans were 1.2 times as likely to be obese than non-Hispanic whites.
From 2011-2014 Hispanic children were 1.8 times more likely to be overweight as non- Hispanic white children.
From 2015, Hispanic women were 30% more likely to be overweight, as compared to non-Hispanic whites.

No, let's talk about math.

For example, "Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women." What does this mean? It means that roughly two-thirds of non-Hispanic white women and roughly three-quarters of Mexican-American women are overweight or obese. In other words, about 20% more likely.

For your other data, the comparison doesn't tell us anything without knowing the actual rates. That's a common error in citing statistics. For example, eating avocados makes you 30% more likely to develop [terrible disease]! (I just made that up.) This is useful information without knowing how common [terrible disease] is. 30% more likely than a common disease means something, 30% more likely than a very rare disease means basically nothing.

And then, of course, there's your assumption that Hispanic-American people get a lot of free food.

Tell me this then.
1. What's your experience in low-performing schools where kids rely on free and reduced meals? at least two meals a day - breakfast and lunch - but sometimes an "early dinner" when school lets out
2. Tell me what a cafeteria meal looks like and what's considered healthy.
3. Tell me what these kids are eating at home while their parents are out working 2 jobs.

If you can provide specific details, then we'll chat. If not, then I'm relying on MY personal experiences after 20+ years in a system AND government statistics.

Thanks for playing!

Eh. Tell me what this has to do with "Have you noticed that many Hispanic kids and their moms are over weight? There are too much free unhealthy food in their life!"?

What?

This is a response?

You clearly don't know what poverty is like, and you haven't been around an "underclass" of kids who are indeed suffering from obesity due to lack of proper nutrition and reliance upon institutionalized foods.

But thanks for playing.

You lose, however.

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

But households also include kids too young for school (and therefore FARMs) and adults too old. There are students who bring home part of their school lunch to feed younger siblings.

I've never seen that and I've been in high-FARMs high schools for the bulk of my career. Maybe younger kids do that.

makes sense, however

Not really. The majority of kids too young to be in school were born here, so Mom has both a WIC card and a SNAP card. For those families totally illegal, there are many, many nonprofits and food pantries. No babies are starving back at the house.

You have to know how to apply and get those resources and its not that easy. Its a very small amount if its just for the kids and not the adults. You couldn't live off that. There are absolutely kids who starve.

DP

Posts like this make me think there are people who post here who have zero actual experience in Montgomery County. MoCo does make it very, very easy to access free services. Especially for kids. And oftentimes, the people who use these services know exactly how to work the system to their advantage. Immigrant communities have strong networks to transmit information. Lower income kids in MCPS are not starving.

Starvation is an exaggeration. But they are lacking in proper nutrients b/c the foods consumed are crap if they're relying on school meals. And here's the thing. I've seen sticky buns eaten for breakfast more times than I care to remember. So choices made are not always the best.

bottom line - You can starve your body of nutrients and fill up on carbs, which often leads to diabetes & obesity.

and food pantries? How much rice can one consume? How many canned goods are healthy? I certainly wouldn't feed this to my own children, yet it's good enough for the poor.

just sayin'

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Blame HHS - https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=70

their statistics

Obesity and Hispanic Americans
Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women.
In 2015, Hispanic Americans were 1.2 times as likely to be obese than non-Hispanic whites.
From 2011-2014 Hispanic children were 1.8 times more likely to be overweight as non- Hispanic white children.
From 2015, Hispanic women were 30% more likely to be overweight, as compared to non-Hispanic whites.

No, let's talk about math.

For example, "Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women." What does this mean? It means that roughly two-thirds of non-Hispanic white women and roughly three-quarters of Mexican-American women are overweight or obese. In other words, about 20% more likely.

For your other data, the comparison doesn't tell us anything without knowing the actual rates. That's a common error in citing statistics. For example, eating avocados makes you 30% more likely to develop [terrible disease]! (I just made that up.) This is useful information without knowing how common [terrible disease] is. 30% more likely than a common disease means something, 30% more likely than a very rare disease means basically nothing.

And then, of course, there's your assumption that Hispanic-American people get a lot of free food.

Tell me this then.
1. What's your experience in low-performing schools where kids rely on free and reduced meals? at least two meals a day - breakfast and lunch - but sometimes an "early dinner" when school lets out
2. Tell me what a cafeteria meal looks like and what's considered healthy.
3. Tell me what these kids are eating at home while their parents are out working 2 jobs.

If you can provide specific details, then we'll chat. If not, then I'm relying on MY personal experiences after 20+ years in a system AND government statistics.

Thanks for playing!

Eh. Tell me what this has to do with "Have you noticed that many Hispanic kids and their moms are over weight? There are too much free unhealthy food in their life!"?

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Anonymous wrote:

Blame HHS - https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=70

their statistics

Obesity and Hispanic Americans
Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women.
In 2015, Hispanic Americans were 1.2 times as likely to be obese than non-Hispanic whites.
From 2011-2014 Hispanic children were 1.8 times more likely to be overweight as non- Hispanic white children.
From 2015, Hispanic women were 30% more likely to be overweight, as compared to non-Hispanic whites.

No, let's talk about math.

For example, "Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women." What does this mean? It means that roughly two-thirds of non-Hispanic white women and roughly three-quarters of Mexican-American women are overweight or obese. In other words, about 20% more likely.

For your other data, the comparison doesn't tell us anything without knowing the actual rates. That's a common error in citing statistics. For example, eating avocados makes you 30% more likely to develop [terrible disease]! (I just made that up.) This is useful information without knowing how common [terrible disease] is. 30% more likely than a common disease means something, 30% more likely than a very rare disease means basically nothing.

And then, of course, there's your assumption that Hispanic-American people get a lot of free food.

Tell me this then.
1. What's your experience in low-performing schools where kids rely on free and reduced meals? at least two meals a day - breakfast and lunch - but sometimes an "early dinner" when school lets out
2. Tell me what a cafeteria meal looks like and what's considered healthy.
3. Tell me what these kids are eating at home while their parents are out working 2 jobs.


If you can provide specific details, then we'll chat. If not, then I'm relying on MY personal experiences after 20+ years in a system AND government statistics.

Thanks for playing!

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Are they not?

Are you saying other kids' problems are your problem? or my problem? For the former - go with it. For the latter - who are you to decide that?

The voice of reality.

Well, if you agree they are your problem, I don't disagree. Why don't you go ahead and deal with them?

As for "my problem", I don't agree with you on that. So let's just wait until we get that straightened out - which I'm in no rush.

Let's agree on what we agree on: they are your problem, you are not doing a good job solving those and should be blamed!

If you'd instead prefer to pay to keep them in jail as adults, then that's your preference, I guess, though it's a terrible return on investment.

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There doesn’t currently seem to be a great return on taxpayer investment for all the services the County is currently providing. The kids who want to do well and who come from families who expect them to do well, will do well. This is regardless of race.

Buying the kids free backpacks and free meals isn’t going to endure they end up out of jail. And the school system/taxpayers shouldn’t be in charge of any of this anyway.

Let private donors and non-profits handle all the free stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

But households also include kids too young for school (and therefore FARMs) and adults too old. There are students who bring home part of their school lunch to feed younger siblings.

I've never seen that and I've been in high-FARMs high schools for the bulk of my career. Maybe younger kids do that.

makes sense, however

Not really. The majority of kids too young to be in school were born here, so Mom has both a WIC card and a SNAP card. For those families totally illegal, there are many, many nonprofits and food pantries. No babies are starving back at the house.

You have to know how to apply and get those resources and its not that easy. Its a very small amount if its just for the kids and not the adults. You couldn't live off that. There are absolutely kids who starve.

DP

Posts like this make me think there are people who post here who have zero actual experience in Montgomery County. MoCo does make it very, very easy to access free services. Especially for kids. And oftentimes, the people who use these services know exactly how to work the system to their advantage. Immigrant communities have strong networks to transmit information. Lower income kids in MCPS are not starving.

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Blame HHS - https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=70

their statistics

Obesity and Hispanic Americans
Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women.
In 2015, Hispanic Americans were 1.2 times as likely to be obese than non-Hispanic whites.
From 2011-2014 Hispanic children were 1.8 times more likely to be overweight as non- Hispanic white children.
From 2015, Hispanic women were 30% more likely to be overweight, as compared to non-Hispanic whites.

No, let's talk about math.

For example, "Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women." What does this mean? It means that roughly two-thirds of non-Hispanic white women and roughly three-quarters of Mexican-American women are overweight or obese. In other words, about 20% more likely.

For your other data, the comparison doesn't tell us anything without knowing the actual rates. That's a common error in citing statistics. For example, eating avocados makes you 30% more likely to develop [terrible disease]! (I just made that up.) This is useful information without knowing how common [terrible disease] is. 30% more likely than a common disease means something, 30% more likely than a very rare disease means basically nothing.

And then, of course, there's your assumption that Hispanic-American people get a lot of free food.

MCPS is the one who said Hispanic students have high drop rate, more students on FARM, less students pass state test. If you don't like to hear the FACTS, blame MCPS!

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Blame HHS - https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=70

their statistics

Obesity and Hispanic Americans
Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women.
In 2015, Hispanic Americans were 1.2 times as likely to be obese than non-Hispanic whites.
From 2011-2014 Hispanic children were 1.8 times more likely to be overweight as non- Hispanic white children.
From 2015, Hispanic women were 30% more likely to be overweight, as compared to non-Hispanic whites.

No, let's talk about math.

For example, "Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women." What does this mean? It means that roughly two-thirds of non-Hispanic white women and roughly three-quarters of Mexican-American women are overweight or obese. In other words, about 20% more likely.

For your other data, the comparison doesn't tell us anything without knowing the actual rates. That's a common error in citing statistics. For example, eating avocados makes you 30% more likely to develop [terrible disease]! (I just made that up.) This is useful information without knowing how common [terrible disease] is. 30% more likely than a common disease means something, 30% more likely than a very rare disease means basically nothing.

And then, of course, there's your assumption that Hispanic-American people get a lot of free food.

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Not really. The majority of kids too young to be in school were born here, so Mom has both a WIC card and a SNAP card. For those families totally illegal, there are many, many nonprofits and food pantries. No babies are starving back at the house.

How I wish that people would realize that there is a LOT of room between "starving" and "having reliable access to a sufficient quantity of affordable, nutritious food".

Have you noticed that many Hispanic kids and their moms are over weight? There are too much free unhealthy food in their life!

Have you noticed that you are making a whole heck of a lot of assumptions about people and their lives?

Blame HHS - https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=70

their statistics

Obesity and Hispanic Americans
Among Mexican American women, 77 percent are overweight or obese, as compared to only 64 percent of the non-Hispanic White women.
In 2015, Hispanic Americans were 1.2 times as likely to be obese than non-Hispanic whites.
From 2011-2014 Hispanic children were 1.8 times more likely to be overweight as non- Hispanic white children.
From 2015, Hispanic women were 30% more likely to be overweight, as compared to non-Hispanic whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

But households also include kids too young for school (and therefore FARMs) and adults too old. There are students who bring home part of their school lunch to feed younger siblings.

I've never seen that and I've been in high-FARMs high schools for the bulk of my career. Maybe younger kids do that.

makes sense, however

Not really. The majority of kids too young to be in school were born here, so Mom has both a WIC card and a SNAP card. For those families totally illegal, there are many, many nonprofits and food pantries. No babies are starving back at the house.

You have to know how to apply and get those resources and its not that easy. Its a very small amount if its just for the kids and not the adults. You couldn't live off that. There are absolutely kids who starve.

Again, the UMC mom who has no knowledge of the system. Women give birth in hospitals. If they are too poor to pay their bill, a social worker enrolls them in Medicaid. They are then enrolled in SNAP and WIC. The only infants who starve in the US are those whose parents are too high to remember to feed them. Check the ICD-10 codes. It is great that you are compassionate, but romanticizing and excusing bad parenting because people are low income is not compassionate.

DP,
Oh yes that’s how it works people are automatically enrolled there are no starving kids the only reason people are poor is because they want to be there are no kids suffering Unless their parents are dead be drug addicts. The system works just the way it should it’s just that folks abuse it and don’t do what they’re supposed to everything is just butterflies and Cotton Candy.

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Anonymous wrote:Just goes to show that kids of any age that come from disadvantaged background need a different setup in schools (which may effectively mean different schools).
Smaller class sizes, different objectives and a slower pace; wraparound services.
This will mean more taxes, but at least there will be regular schools for regular kids who also need to learn and grow. No they won’t be fine no matter what. If you kill their love of learning by sloooowly teaching them the same stuff, no creativity, no fun, and harsh discipline (because who has the time to explore different approaches to behavior?) and no, these kids won’t be ok.

Kids from disadvantaged backgrounds are irregular kids?

Ok, I should have said “kids from non disadvantaged background”.

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Anonymous wrote:Well over half are either in ESOL or are Hispanic https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/07/montgomery-co-public-schools-have-a-dropout-problem-heres-why/

Well I guest the response to this topic says it: who cares?

I am not being sarcastic. I truly believe that if these students and/or their families do not care, others should not (yes, SHOULD not - or at least PUBLIC RESOURCES should not be used to deal with this).

They care, but often they are facing very immediate economic needs that can’t wait two to three years to address. A third income earner can make the difference between rent or eviction, vegetables and fruit or malnutrition. This was not an unusual pattern in white immigrant families two generations ago. My XH’s grandmother left school at 15 to work FT in a store. Her sacrifice made it possible for the family to survive and her younger siblings to graduate HS. T

Many schools provide three meals to kids on FARMs.

But households also include kids too young for school (and therefore FARMs) and adults too old. There are students who bring home part of their school lunch to feed younger siblings.

I've never seen that and I've been in high-FARMs high schools for the bulk of my career. Maybe younger kids do that.

makes sense, however

Not really. The majority of kids too young to be in school were born here, so Mom has both a WIC card and a SNAP card. For those families totally illegal, there are many, many nonprofits and food pantries. No babies are starving back at the house.

You have to know how to apply and get those resources and its not that easy. Its a very small amount if its just for the kids and not the adults. You couldn't live off that. There are absolutely kids who starve.

Again, the UMC mom who has no knowledge of the system. Women give birth in hospitals. If they are too poor to pay their bill, a social worker enrolls them in Medicaid. They are then enrolled in SNAP and WIC. The only infants who starve in the US are those whose parents are too high to remember to feed them. Check the ICD-10 codes. It is great that you are compassionate, but romanticizing and excusing bad parenting because people are low income is not compassionate.