Anonymous
Post 09/27/2020 09:23     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Terrible, heartbreaking, and that's the risk you run using a midwife at home instead of a real doctor in a hospital where they have a greater ability to deal with complications. I feel sorry for everyone involved, but it is the mother's stupidity that caused this death. Bring the midwife to your hospital room, give birth in a midwife center attached to a hospital, but realize you may not have time for 911 in a life or death situation.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2020 09:09     Subject: Re:Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
I haven’t read all the posts but I certainly hope the mother is charged as well. It’s ultimately her fault, not this midwife’s, that she refused medical care and that her baby died.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2020 09:03     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
My home birth wasn’t easy at all. Believe me. But was definitely safer. No question.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2020 00:35     Subject: Unlicensed midwife kills baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's post some articles on how many women and babies have died because they went to a hospital instead of staying home. I guarantee the number far exceeds the number mentioned in this article. Home births are always safer. Fact. Of course there are a few outliers for whom a hospital birth is necessary, but they're truly outliers. Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing. Women, especially black women, die in hospitals every day. The United States has the WORST infant mortality rate of ANY developed nation, and we also have the highest rate of hospital births.

Also, it says she wasn't licensed IN THAT STATE, not that she had no training and wasn't licensed at all anywhere.


I know it's an old thread, and probably everyone else jumped on this, but this is an absurd post. Any complicated case is going to end up in the hospital. It very well could be true that the raw numbers look better for home births, but that doesn't mean it's safer.
Actually, it does.


No, it doesn't. Not by any reasonable interpretation of "safer." There's very strong selection bias at work here, since only "easy" births can be done at home. Those easy births would also be safe at a hospital. But the hospital's numbers are grouped with a bunch of complicated births.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2020 00:17     Subject: Unlicensed midwife kills baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Obviously this woman is horrid. But who the hell doesn't do any kind of background check on someone?!?


The same people who prefer to give birth on their living room floor rather than the hospital with actual doctors and a NICU?

The reality is that medical emergencies can happen even if you have a licensed midwife. Babies should be delivered by a proper medical team with access to emergency medical services for both mom and baby.


This. No matter who is delivering the baby, being at home is a HUGE risk. Things can go from smooth to emergency with little warning. You could live next door to the hospital, even then, there is no way you are going to go from at home in your bed to sliced open in the OR in under 10 minutes. Every minute counts when a baby is being deprived of oxygen. Those extra minutes to get to the hospital and get prepped could be the difference between life and death or permanent brain injury.
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 22:28     Subject: Unlicensed midwife kills baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's post some articles on how many women and babies have died because they went to a hospital instead of staying home. I guarantee the number far exceeds the number mentioned in this article. Home births are always safer. Fact. Of course there are a few outliers for whom a hospital birth is necessary, but they're truly outliers. Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing. Women, especially black women, die in hospitals every day. The United States has the WORST infant mortality rate of ANY developed nation, and we also have the highest rate of hospital births.

Also, it says she wasn't licensed IN THAT STATE, not that she had no training and wasn't licensed at all anywhere.


I know it's an old thread, and probably everyone else jumped on this, but this is an absurd post. Any complicated case is going to end up in the hospital. It very well could be true that the raw numbers look better for home births, but that doesn't mean it's safer.
Actually, it does.
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 21:54     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
MY baby’s birth was DEFINITELY safer at home.
I can only speak for us.
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 21:47     Subject: Unlicensed midwife kills baby
Anonymous wrote:Let's post some articles on how many women and babies have died because they went to a hospital instead of staying home. I guarantee the number far exceeds the number mentioned in this article. Home births are always safer. Fact. Of course there are a few outliers for whom a hospital birth is necessary, but they're truly outliers. Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing. Women, especially black women, die in hospitals every day. The United States has the WORST infant mortality rate of ANY developed nation, and we also have the highest rate of hospital births.

Also, it says she wasn't licensed IN THAT STATE, not that she had no training and wasn't licensed at all anywhere.


I know it's an old thread, and probably everyone else jumped on this, but this is an absurd post. Any complicated case is going to end up in the hospital. It very well could be true that the raw numbers look better for home births, but that doesn't mean it's safer.
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 21:45     Subject: Unlicensed midwife kills baby
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who pays $4k for an unlicensed midwife has more money than brains.


You are so compassionate.

These people just lost their child for God's sake.

Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 21:43     Subject: Unlicensed midwife kills baby
Anonymous wrote:Let's post some articles on how many women and babies have died because they went to a hospital instead of staying home. I guarantee the number far exceeds the number mentioned in this article. Home births are always safer. Fact. Of course there are a few outliers for whom a hospital birth is necessary, but they're truly outliers. Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing. Women, especially black women, die in hospitals every day. The United States has the WORST infant mortality rate of ANY developed nation, and we also have the highest rate of hospital births.

Also, it says she wasn't licensed IN THAT STATE, not that she had no training and wasn't licensed at all anywhere.

Actually, if you take out black women, who have higher rates of complications in Africa as well, USA stats are similar to other white countries
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 21:40     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
And THIS is why Trump is going to win again. Stop with the bias /racism crap. We are all sick of it.
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 11:59     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
^^^ midwives*
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2020 11:58     Subject: Unlicensed midwife kills baby
Anonymous wrote:Let's post some articles on how many women and babies have died because they went to a hospital instead of staying home. I guarantee the number far exceeds the number mentioned in this article. Home births are always safer. Fact. Of course there are a few outliers for whom a hospital birth is necessary, but they're truly outliers. Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing. Women, especially black women, die in hospitals every day. The United States has the WORST infant mortality rate of ANY developed nation, and we also have the highest rate of hospital births.

Also, it says she wasn't licensed IN THAT STATE, not that she had no training and wasn't licensed at all anywhere.


So as soon as ANY home birth goes bad and gets sent to the hospital that is used as a stat against the hospital!

Also, let’s see the MMR of Black women in the hands of midwives, oh, wait! The data doesn’t exist because they refuse to give clear answers! They are also killing but they underreport! Eveyrone has biases. Being at the hospital or not isn’t going to stop a WHITE woman from delivering subpar care! Racists are everywhere!

Most wide views are white. They also tend to cater to the people who are white, so there is also that bias.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 22:22     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.


Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.


actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0




NP here. The important piece of the findings was in the last two paragraphs. Learn to examine things beyond the headlines.



the last two paragraphs where they find homebirth is dangerous no matter what kind of midwife?



The important piece of the article is :


"The discrepancy between survival rates for home and hospital births in the U.S. is not seen in developed nations like England, the Netherlands, Germany and Australia.

These countries tend to screen expectant mothers for risk factors like age or obesity that might endanger their newborns if they opt for a home birth, the authors note in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology."



But it's not a sensational headline. We don't do birth the right way in this country, but instead of fixing that we'd rather have Ob vs midwife wars. Home birth vs Hospital birth wars.



We’re not in Europe. So I don’t see what your point is. Here, home birth is demostrably more dangerous because midwives don’t screen patients, in part. (Netherlands also found a disparity based on income btw).


Also the last two paragraphs in a research paper are not the conclusions. That’s just suggesting one hypothetical for the differences.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 22:21     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.


Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.


actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0




NP here. The important piece of the findings was in the last two paragraphs. Learn to examine things beyond the headlines.



the last two paragraphs where they find homebirth is dangerous no matter what kind of midwife?



The important piece of the article is :


"The discrepancy between survival rates for home and hospital births in the U.S. is not seen in developed nations like England, the Netherlands, Germany and Australia.

These countries tend to screen expectant mothers for risk factors like age or obesity that might endanger their newborns if they opt for a home birth, the authors note in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology."



But it's not a sensational headline. We don't do birth the right way in this country, but instead of fixing that we'd rather have Ob vs midwife wars. Home birth vs Hospital birth wars.



We’re not in Europe. So I don’t see what your point is. Here, home birth is demostrably more dangerous because midwives don’t screen patients, in part. (Netherlands also found a disparity based on income btw).