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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Anonymous wrote:Hi, this is why trump will get re-elected.
There’s a national emergency at our southern border.
Playing games like this to stop trump virtually guarantees his re-election.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/29/obama-appointed-judge-blocks-construction-trump-border-wall/

Manufactured emergency to con his cult.

So for those of you on the right who are chastising left wing government programs as "socialism," how do you defend Donald Trump embracing an actual socialist in Kim Jung Un?

Hi, this is why trump will get re-elected.
There’s a national emergency at our southern border.
Playing games like this to stop trump virtually guarantees his re-election.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/29/obama-appointed-judge-blocks-construction-trump-border-wall/

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

This. The above link to PBS has through detailed analysis but the cult 45 members won’t even bother to read and educate themselves. They would rather just believe the Australian channel propaganda and lies of the twitter troll precedent. Shame on them and they are dragging down America by supporting a Russian puppet who defended Putin again and said Russia didn’t interfere in our elections.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

Spoken like a “poorly educated” cult 45 member that the dear leader loves so much. But as usual you are wrong and it is disproven by libertarian think tank CATO institute analysis.

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

Yep, that’s me. A poorly educated idiot.

I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

You are an idiot because you don’t believe in data and analysis. You just believe what you want to based on your hate/fear and think that is true.
Below is the analysis that EVEN illegal immigrants contribute more than they take. But people like your ilk don’t want to read and understand any issue. Lazy people would rather take in whatever the Australian propaganda channel tells you to believe or what the Twitter liar tweets. That’s the shame of how far America has fallen. An educated person will change their mind if data proves them wrong. But an idiot will discount the data and continue to believe in lies.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Gosh, blue states don't have addicts?

No, silly! Only whites in red states. Everyone else is a productive citizen. Duh!

I'll bet you hate liberals more than you hate ILLEGAL immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

+1. You have to be strong as steel to migrate to this country across Mexico, far stronger than the people popping opioids because life has them down.

So why don’t those steely Central Americans fix their own countries? They obviously work hard and have gumption.

Because their governments murder them. Given Trump's love for rulers who murder their people, you might be numb to this fact, but it's a real impediment to making things better.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

That's complete bullshit. I break the speed limit daily as do any of number of people I do. And, yet, despite being ILLEGAL drivers, most of us contribute a great deal to society. Don't be an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

Spoken like a “poorly educated” cult 45 member that the dear leader loves so much. But as usual you are wrong and it is disproven by libertarian think tank CATO institute analysis.

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

Yep, that’s me. A poorly educated idiot.

I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

Spoken like a “poorly educated” cult 45 member that the dear leader loves so much. But as usual you are wrong and it is disproven by libertarian think tank CATO institute analysis.

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.

Of course you can. And these immigrants know it. I'm not sure how you can't comprehend this.

This.

Come to Montgomery County. There is a whole, flourishing 'cash only' economy. A whole population of people who get paid in cash, pay cash for rent. landlords who collect cash payments and don't pay taxes on it, people who pay cash for healthcare and people who sell things for cash in order to not report the income.

It's beneficial to not have a high reportable/traceable income because then you qualify for lower income services.

It is absolutely possible to thrive in a cash only economy in MoCo.

Another person who has no clue about the scale of America. We are over 330 million people. The cash economy you are saying is likely used by a few million in the entire country, won’t even be .1% of American GDP. Get some financial education and understand basic economics. The brown person chicken lil.

ROYSTER: We have a unique situation here in the District of Columbia that might mimic some of the rural areas. We have a chronic, long-term heroin user who, with the introduction of the synthetic opioids like fentanyl into the drug supply, are having a higher death rate.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Who is being affected by this?

ROYSTER: Our typical death from an opioid overdose is an older, African-American male between the age of 40 and 60. So as you see, that's quite different than what's being described around the country.

I always laugh when dcum maligns red states and opioid usage.

Opioid Epidemic: Highest Rate Of Overdose Deaths Found In D.C.
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/02/672675469/opioid-epidemic-highest-rate-of-overdose-deaths-found-in-d-c

LULU GARCIA-NAVARRO, HOST:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported this week that life expectancy in the U.S. is lower now, in part, because of the opioid epidemic. The crisis is often portrayed as largely affecting the white, rural, working class. But one of the places with the highest rates of overdose deaths is right here in Washington, D.C. Here to talk about this is Dr. Tanya Royster. She is director of Washington, D.C.,'s Department of Behavioral Health. Thank you so much for being here.