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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

I've been on the Hill for 20+ years. IB families didn't start being interested in their neighborhood schools until around 2004 or so - 15 years ago. It's now been years that Brent and Maury have kept most of their ECE parents through 4th grade. It's going to happen soon for LT as well. You sound like you are 'stuck in time' about the state of DCPS schools and families attendance. And you need to check your historical understanding.

We are at Brent, and half-dozen kids aren't really that much, considering there is a fairly high contingent of families that cycle in/out of oversea appointments and also military families. My DD is starting 4th grade in the fall and everyone we know is staying and many people are hoping to stay in DCPS for middle school. Granted, we'll see if people actually follow through with that intent, and I'm sure a lot of kids will peel off for chapters in 5th grade, but I think there is much more optimism now than I've ever seen.

New poster who must be "stuck in time" when I note that half a dozen kids won't be returning to my kid's original ECE cohort after 3rd grade, not at Ludlow...at Brent. These families are moving out of the District or going private in this area mainly over Hill public school issues. You still see an upper grades/ms/hs exodus almost everywhere you look in DCPS, just not one as large as five or ten years ago.

Perhaps I need to check my historical understanding while doing this headcount for 4th grade. OK, counted again minus historical understanding. Gosh, my calculations held up.

Gah, sorry. My response was in bold.

This would be great. Also the parent of a rising 4th grader and really hoping there is a group that is going to Jefferson.

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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

I've been on the Hill for 20+ years. IB families didn't start being interested in their neighborhood schools until around 2004 or so - 15 years ago. It's now been years that Brent and Maury have kept most of their ECE parents through 4th grade. It's going to happen soon for LT as well. You sound like you are 'stuck in time' about the state of DCPS schools and families attendance. And you need to check your historical understanding.

We are at Brent, and half-dozen kids aren't really that much, considering there is a fairly high contingent of families that cycle in/out of oversea appointments and also military families. My DD is starting 4th grade in the fall and everyone we know is staying and many people are hoping to stay in DCPS for middle school. Granted, we'll see if people actually follow through with that intent, and I'm sure a lot of kids will peel off for chapters in 5th grade, but I think there is much more optimism now than I've ever seen.

New poster who must be "stuck in time" when I note that half a dozen kids won't be returning to my kid's original ECE cohort after 3rd grade, not at Ludlow...at Brent. These families are moving out of the District or going private in this area mainly over Hill public school issues. You still see an upper grades/ms/hs exodus almost everywhere you look in DCPS, just not one as large as five or ten years ago.

Perhaps I need to check my historical understanding while doing this headcount for 4th grade. OK, counted again minus historical understanding. Gosh, my calculations held up.

Gah, sorry. My response was in bold.

This would be great. Also the parent of a rising 4th grader and really hoping there is a group that is going to Jefferson.

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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

I've been on the Hill for 20+ years. IB families didn't start being interested in their neighborhood schools until around 2004 or so - 15 years ago. It's now been years that Brent and Maury have kept most of their ECE parents through 4th grade. It's going to happen soon for LT as well. You sound like you are 'stuck in time' about the state of DCPS schools and families attendance. And you need to check your historical understanding.

We are at Brent, and half-dozen kids aren't really that much, considering there is a fairly high contingent of families that cycle in/out of oversea appointments and also military families. My DD is starting 4th grade in the fall and everyone we know is staying and many people are hoping to stay in DCPS for middle school. Granted, we'll see if people actually follow through with that intent, and I'm sure a lot of kids will peel off for chapters in 5th grade, but I think there is much more optimism now than I've ever seen.

New poster who must be "stuck in time" when I note that half a dozen kids won't be returning to my kid's original ECE cohort after 3rd grade, not at Ludlow...at Brent. These families are moving out of the District or going private in this area mainly over Hill public school issues. You still see an upper grades/ms/hs exodus almost everywhere you look in DCPS, just not one as large as five or ten years ago.

Perhaps I need to check my historical understanding while doing this headcount for 4th grade. OK, counted again minus historical understanding. Gosh, my calculations held up.

Gah, sorry. My response was in bold.

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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

I've been on the Hill for 20+ years. IB families didn't start being interested in their neighborhood schools until around 2004 or so - 15 years ago. It's now been years that Brent and Maury have kept most of their ECE parents through 4th grade. It's going to happen soon for LT as well. You sound like you are 'stuck in time' about the state of DCPS schools and families attendance. And you need to check your historical understanding.

We are at Brent, and half-dozen kids aren't really that much, considering there is a fairly high contingent of families that cycle in/out of oversea appointments and also military families. My DD is starting 4th grade in the fall and everyone we know is staying and many people are hoping to stay in DCPS for middle school. Granted, we'll see if people actually follow through with that intent, and I'm sure a lot of kids will peel off for chapters in 5th grade, but I think there is much more optimism now than I've ever seen.

New poster who must be "stuck in time" when I note that half a dozen kids won't be returning to my kid's original ECE cohort after 3rd grade, not at Ludlow...at Brent. These families are moving out of the District or going private in this area mainly over Hill public school issues. You still see an upper grades/ms/hs exodus almost everywhere you look in DCPS, just not one as large as five or ten years ago.

Perhaps I need to check my historical understanding while doing this headcount for 4th grade. OK, counted again minus historical understanding. Gosh, my calculations held up.

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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

I've been on the Hill for 20+ years. IB families didn't start being interested in their neighborhood schools until around 2004 or so - 15 years ago. It's now been years that Brent and Maury have kept most of their ECE parents through 4th grade. It's going to happen soon for LT as well. You sound like you are 'stuck in time' about the state of DCPS schools and families attendance. And you need to check your historical understanding.

We are at Brent, and half-dozen kids aren't really that much, considering there is a fairly high contingent of families that cycle in/out of oversea appointments and also military families. My DD is starting 4th grade in the fall and everyone we know is staying and many people are hoping to stay in DCPS for middle school. Granted, we'll see if people actually follow through with that intent, and I'm sure a lot of kids will peel off for chapters in 5th grade, but I think there is much more optimism now than I've ever seen.

New poster who must be "stuck in time" when I note that half a dozen kids won't be returning to my kid's original ECE cohort after 3rd grade, not at Ludlow...at Brent. These families are moving out of the District or going private in this area mainly over Hill public school issues. You still see an upper grades/ms/hs exodus almost everywhere you look in DCPS, just not one as large as five or ten years ago.

Perhaps I need to check my historical understanding while doing this headcount for 4th grade. OK, counted again minus historical understanding. Gosh, my calculations held up.

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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

I've been on the Hill for 20+ years. IB families didn't start being interested in their neighborhood schools until around 2004 or so - 15 years ago. It's now been years that Brent and Maury have kept most of their ECE parents through 4th grade. It's going to happen soon for LT as well. You sound like you are 'stuck in time' about the state of DCPS schools and families attendance. And you need to check your historical understanding.

New poster who must be "stuck in time" when I note that half a dozen kids won't be returning to my kid's original ECE cohort after 3rd grade, not at Ludlow...at Brent. These families are moving out of the District or going private in this area mainly over Hill public school issues. You still see an upper grades/ms/hs exodus almost everywhere you look in DCPS, just not one as large as five or ten years ago.

Perhaps I need to check my historical understanding while doing this headcount for 4th grade. OK, counted again minus historical understanding. Gosh, my calculations held up.

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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

I've been on the Hill for 20+ years. IB families didn't start being interested in their neighborhood schools until around 2004 or so - 15 years ago. It's now been years that Brent and Maury have kept most of their ECE parents through 4th grade. It's going to happen soon for LT as well. You sound like you are 'stuck in time' about the state of DCPS schools and families attendance. And you need to check your historical understanding.

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Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

You don't sound like you've been no the Hill for more than a decade, like we have (25 years and counting). Unfortunately, you're wrong. Attrition will be a good deal higher in the upper grades at LT than Maury, Brent and SWS for at least five years, probably ten. Test scores are beside the point. Few UMC parents give a hoot about them - they care about demographics. It's taken Brent 15 years to keep most of the ECE parents to 4th grade. UMC families mostly leave these schools until the upper grades are majority UMC.

Anonymous wrote:To the last two posters, I’d say that when you’re comparing test scores... test results, you DO need to disaggregate as the kick ass data poster said, because when you do you see that LT white kids are out scoring other Cap Hill elementary schools white kids ant their black kids are scoring higher too. That was the point — one driven home very effectively by hard data. If you want to try say that parents won’t stay through 5th, that’s an opinion, but their 5 graders are testing very well. As a current LT parent with two kids attending, one in 4th, I can tell you we plan to stay as do many others and I don’t attrition will be any worse than at other “top” cap hill elementary schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.

If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.

Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.

I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).

If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.

SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML

Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.

The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.

Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.

You should check your math. It's wrong

False. People seem to find it impossible to understand that demographics drive the aggregate scores. Particularly in a city with an achievement gap as large as DC's, dis-aggregating the data tells you way more. In the sense that matters, L-T has the best test scores on the Hill. Full stop. Now, maybe you don't think test scores matter at all. Fine. But if you do, dis-aggregating the data is the only way to find out about much of anything beyond the demographics of a school.

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Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.

If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.

Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.

I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).

If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.

SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML

Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.

The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.