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Anonymous wrote:as long as you don't take me to breitbart or stormfront or whatever that white nationalist website is, I would probably read it and consider it.

and I have not read the book, but I'm not opposed to reading the book. I may not agree, but I do actually think it is worth hearing the other side.l

I don't read Breitbart or Stormfront (in fact, never heard of it before this forum), but I will try to post something about what I just mentioned. It might get deleted, though, because it shows an opposing opinion. I'll be back shortly with a ink.

OK, I'm back with what I feel is an interesting piece. It appeared in The Forward, and in case you're not aware, it is a very liberal Jewish publication. (I found stronger essays in conservative publications, like The Federalist and the National Review, but I stayed away from them for fear they would be 'delegitimized" for being conservative sources.) I hope you will give it some consideration:

https://forward.com/opinion/407652/sorry-liberals-anti-zionism-is-anti-semitic/

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of those who survived Hitler’s “Final Solution” who are making the comparisons.

Tahoe Holocaust survivor: Trump administration actions starting to resemble Hitler’s Germany
https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/opinion/tahoe-holocaust-survivor-trump-administration-actions-starting-to-resemble-hitlers-germany-opinion/

Bernard Marks, the Holocaust survivor whose comparison of the Trump administration’s hardline stance on refugees and undocumented immigrants to Nazi regime received widespread attention, died Friday. He was 89.
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article223718330.html

'I'M A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR—TRUMP'S AMERICA FEELS LIKE GERMANY BEFORE NAZIS TOOK OVER'
https://www.newsweek.com/im-holocaust-survivor-trumps-america-feels-germany-nazis-took-over-876965

“Separation of the family, for us, is probably the worst thing that ever happened to us,” says Hidden Child Foundation Co-Director Rachelle Goldstein in the ADL video, noting that when children were in hiding during the Holocaust, they were often hiding in a separate location from their parents and siblings, on their own.
https://www.haaretz.com/whdcMobileSite/us-news/.premium-jews-clash-as-shoah-comparisons-for-trump-detention-centers-rise-1.6196346

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents

What My Escape From Hitler’s Germany Taught Me About Trump’s America: ”To those who say that comparisons of Trump’s presidency to Nazi Germany are hyperbolic, I say try telling that to the mothers whose infants have been torn from their arms. A president responsible for such an atrocity exposes a level of cruelty that has no limits. None.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/escape-hitlers-germany-taught-trumps-america/

”I began my life with the Nazis, and now I may end my life with the Nazis,” the painter Vera Klement, an 86-year-old survivor of the Holocaust, said. It was election night in America, and as Vera and I sat in front of her TV and watched President-elect Donald J. Trump take the stage to the strains of the Air Force One soundtrack, she exhibited little shock, but rather a horrible, quiet awe.”
https://prospect.org/article/begin-again-trump-through-eyes-holocaust-survivor

"No matter what kind of outrageous things came out of his mouth, the people waved their hands and loudly cheered 'Hurrah!' " he told me, his eyes growing more serious "I have seen that before — in Nazi Germany in 1933."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/opinion/ct-abn-crosby-holocaust-st-1021-20161021-column.html

”I asked my father, a Holocaust survivor, what he thought about the comparisons many have made between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler. “Not only has my concern not dissipated, it’s grown much stronger,” my dad, Zeev, told me from his home in Tel Aviv. “I don’t believe another Holocaust is imminent. But it’s hard to ignore the similarities between Trump and Hitler.”
https://www.thewrap.com/holocaust-survivor-father-feels-president-trump/

”Knoblauch survived as a virtual slave, barely eluding the regular roundups for the Final Solution. Lies, Knoblauch tells the kids. Lies and propaganda, used masterfully by the likes of Nazi propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to smear the Jews as the source of all of Germany’s ills.
“Today, the same lies are being used against other people than the Jews,” he says to the students. “And repeated continuously.”
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-immigration-issue-trumps-dark-vision-brings-back-dire-memories-for-holocaust-survivor-9181256

”Ipson recalled how such hateful ideology almost killed him as a young boy. His family soon found themselves among 29,000 Jews in Kovno's locked ghetto, which was established after German troops occupied the town. Speaking just days after President Donald Trump's executive order barring refugees from coming to the United States from seven Muslim-majority countries, Ipson said he saw parallels between Trump's policy and the United States' refusal to allow Jewish refugees to enter the country to escape Europe during the rise of Nazi Germany.
https://www.dailypress.com/tidewater-review/news/va-tr-wp-holocaust-survivor-0208-20170208-story.html

"Are the comparisons being made between the Trump administration and Nazi Germany hyperbolic?" Dr. Henry Oster, Sole Survivor of the Holocaust from Cologne Germany, doesn't think so."
https://www.thekindnessofthehangman.com/single-post/2018/07/22/Trump-and-Hitler-Henry-speaks-out-in-popular-Thom-Hartmann-podcastvideo

This All Seems Very Familiar, Say Philly Holocaust Survivors
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/11/17/holocaust-survivors-hitler-trump/

“A reader letter left a strong impression on Suzanne La Rocque as she perused the March 19 print edition of the Sun:

A campaign characterized by bigotry and deception.
A candidate spewing venom and demagoguery at every opportunity.
A gullible electorate willing to blame minority citizens for perceived economic and social ills.
Adolf Hitler in 1933, Donald Trump in 2016. One and the same.

Jay resident Jim Haig submitted that letter in response to Donald Trump, the pugnacious real estate developer whose campaign for the Republican presidential nomination has drawn comparisons to totalitarianism due to the candidate’s rallies, which are being marred by physical confrontation and inflammatory rhetoric.

La Rocque responded with her own handwritten letter, which appears in this week’s edition. The North Creek resident called Haig’s perspective “a very fine observation.” “I am 89-years-old and an immigrant from Europe who lived with the horrors of the 1930’s and 40’s,” La Rocque wrote. “I still have the scars Hitler forced on us.”
https://www.suncommunitynews.com/articles/the-sun/local-wwii-survivor-recounts-parallels-between-fascism-trump/

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Christopher R. Browning is Frank Porter Graham Professor of History Emeritus at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the author, most recently, of Remembering Survival: Inside a Nazi Slave-Labor Camp.? (February 2019)

https://history.unc.edu/emeritus/christopher-r-browning/

Winner of Jewish Book Award
https://m.barnesandnoble.com/b/books/national-jewish-book-awards-by-subject/national-jewish-book-award-winners-holocaust-studies/_/N-29Z8q8Z1vo8

Oh.....he's a history professor at a liberal university. Now it's making sense. I long ago gave up reading essays from college professors, who are encased in and blinded by academic liberalism.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, you aren't gaining any points claiming the President is an Anti-Semite when anyone can see his support for Israel as clearly as they can identify their own face in the mirror.

Again, Hitler's "other" was Jews.

Trump's "other" are brown and black people and Muslims (except the ones who fund him, like the Saudi's)

It is a broad comparison, not a one to one that seems to be your takeaway. Look a little broader than yourself.

Here are polls of churchgoing Trump voters on their opinions of Muslims in 2016 versus 2017. Trump’s demonizing propaganda is working.

Terrorism doesn’t help

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Anonymous wrote:as long as you don't take me to breitbart or stormfront or whatever that white nationalist website is, I would probably read it and consider it.

and I have not read the book, but I'm not opposed to reading the book. I may not agree, but I do actually think it is worth hearing the other side.l

I don't read Breitbart or Stormfront (in fact, never heard of it before this forum), but I will try to post something about what I just mentioned. It might get deleted, though, because it shows an opposing opinion. I'll be back shortly with a ink.

Did you read the essay?

I was looking for a link to provide you. Now I'll go back and read the essay. Would you provide the link again? (Also, were you the one who sacastically referred to conservatives as MAGA Brainiac's earlier? That's really not the way to kick off a debate, by insulting the other person.)

there are several posters you are referring to here. I was the one who said I would consider reading your article and the book you posted. I didn't post the earlier essay or keep asking if you'd read it. I am frustrated, though, that people don't seem to have read the many articles that have been posted in this thread that are written by historians and people who lived through Hitler and the Reich that DO see some scary parallels.

that title of the article you just posted sounds familiar. Like maybe I read it in an earlier thread when the probably with Omar and her comments were being discussed? I personally don't have the time this afternoon to pull it up, but I will try to look at it in the next 24 hours.

P.S. I didn't post the book.....that was someone else. But take a look at the Commentary article if you get a chance.....I think it's good.

(I think we need identifying numbers here. It gets confusing.)

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Anonymous wrote:Author is a relative of an Auschwitz survivor.

In fact, Donald Trump never wrote a book about a future genocide like Mein Kampf, never forced people to put tattoos on their arms, or crowd them into death camps where they would suffer torture till they were gassed, shot, thrown in ice water, or died some other horrible death. Nor do those centers housing illegal immigrant children run brutal “experiments” on twins. Trump never ordered the mutilation of corpses by taking out gold teeth, prosthetic limbs, etc., anything that could be reused. And he never had bodies thrown in mass graves or crematoria.

Since Trump never did any of that, nor are children tortured where they are housed, any comparisons to the horrors of Nazi Germany are not only absurd but also, they are an insult to those who perished or survived the Holocaust, and even to those of the “Greatest Generation” who fought to rid the world of this evil.

Sadly, it is a habit of liberals who disagree with an opinion to resort to name calling. I was once called an anti-Semite by an employee of the liberal organization Media Matters. And he did it on a Saturday when I am not online (but my Gentile friends at Breitbart.com protected me online until my post-Shabbos return).

The use of Nazi references especially by media and/or political figures is an example of an ignorance of history, political lunacy, and when the analogy’s uttered by a media figure a case of laziness or an inability to come up with an appropriate analogy. It is merely another example of Trump Unacceptance and Resistance Disorder (also known as TURD).

My recommendation to those wanting to call Trump a Nazi is DON’T! If you’re going to call Donald Trump other names, go ahead, it’s still a free country (although not as free as it was before 2008 but it’s gotten a lot closer since Trump took over). However, if you decide to call him names–leave the Holocaust out of it. An inappropriate reference to the Holocaust is a disservice to your audiences, and more importantly it is a disservice the memory of the horrors suffered by the real victims of the real Hitler.

https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/the-lid-jeffdunetz/trump-nazi-comparisons-are-absurd-inappropriate-reflect-an-ignorance-of-history/2018/06/27/

Why is this opinion of a relative of a Holocaust survivor more valid than the dozens of opinions from actual Holocaust survivors posted earlier?

It's equally valid.

And quite convincing.

"These Nazi or Hitler references are inappropriate because their hyperbolic nature cheapens the memory of the actual horrors that millions of people including six million Jews (1.5 million of them were children). From a journalistic point of view, the exaggeration is a sign of disrespect for their audience. Perhaps they feel their readers or viewers are not intelligent enough to understand their prose unless their narratives are blown way out of proportion, or maybe they just lack the semantic agility to craft the appropriate prose to interest and inform their audience."

No one is saying that Trump has killed six million Jews. They’re saying that there are a lot of similarities between Trump and the guy who eventually killed six million Jews ten years before he did that.

Hey, I'd love to read more about Hitler being a famous TV entertainer, his attending Clinton's wedding and giving money to Dem candidates, and encouraging his daughter to convert into Judaism.

Please do send +1,000,000,000