Anonymous wrote:Friends of Patrick Frazee were unable to be in attendance at the custody hearing today (December 27, 2018) because it was a closed proceeding in Cripple Creek, Colorado. But the good news is that Kaylee will now be with his family. Imagine that . . . the court giving temporary custody to Patrick's family and not Kelsey's family. This does not surprise those who know the history of Patrick and Kelsey.

Okay, Friend of Frazee.

Friends of Patrick Frazee were unable to be in attendance at the custody hearing today (December 27, 2018) because it was a closed proceeding in Cripple Creek, Colorado. But the good news is that Kaylee will now be with his family. Imagine that . . . the court giving temporary custody to Patrick's family and not Kelsey's family. This does not surprise those who know the history of Patrick and Kelsey.

To PP who found the link -- thanks for the clarification. There's no mention of a paternal grandfather so my post was askew.

I'm a DC transplant now living in Denver, and following the tragedy mainly through the Denver Post, but it's behind the firewall (RE print). However, the Denver Channel is providing solid video/print as well: https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/judge-says-parents-of-missing-woodland-park-mom-will-get-temporary-custody-of-berreth-and-frazees-child.

All so sad....

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Anonymous wrote:Just as an additional point of interest in this terribly tragic case: as the cited stories note, the baby's other grandparents also were seeking custody of her at this time. The whole thing is utterly horrific....

Link? I haven’t read anything about Mrs. Frazee seeking custody. And AFAIK she’s not married.

Nevermind, found it myself.

Anonymous wrote:Just as an additional point of interest in this terribly tragic case: as the cited stories note, the baby's other grandparents also were seeking custody of her at this time. The whole thing is utterly horrific....

Link? I haven’t read anything about Mrs. Frazee seeking custody. And AFAIK she’s not married.

Just as an additional point of interest in this terribly tragic case: as the cited stories note, the baby's other grandparents also were seeking custody of her at this time. The whole thing is utterly horrific....

Hearing was about current custody of the child.

https://kdvr.com/2018/12/27/kelsey-berreths-parents-granted-temporary-custody-of-child-in-custody-hearing/

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Anonymous wrote:The grandmother may have been used to watching her granddaughter while her son had "me" time around the ranch and with his buddies.

She could have seen her son acting nonchalent at some point between Kelsey's murder and the disposal of her body.

Grandma might really and truly believe that her son is innocent and her main goal right now is keeping that baby safe among the people in her family that are familiar with her.

Grandma might also have been trash talking this mother too. Grandma mightbot have minded the murder so much as that leaves the child with her full time.

I'm sure that his mom did side with her son. That doesn't automatically mean that she was involved in Kelsey's murder/disappearance or that she was happy to hear that Kelsey is almost certainly dead. She is also disabled so she might have a hard time taking full time custody of the baby even if she truly would love to do so.

The solicitation charge really does indicate that he put a fair amount of planning into this so he must have been having issues with Kelsey for awhile. Since he lived with his mom, his mom probably heard all sorts of things about Kelsey that may or may not have been true. If that's the case she likely did have a negative opinion of Kelsey.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very curious about his motive. So far no evidence of a love triangle on either end, there doesn’t seem to be a financial angle.

Child support is a powerful financial angle.

They weren’t married but it’d been a year since the child was born and if they weren’t going to marry, she probably wanted a formal support contract in place. Or maybe she was ending the engagement and he got mad.

12/27/18
1:00 PM
1H
BERRETH, KELSEY
Temporary Custody Hearing
D602018JV26
Teller County
DIV 11 - TELLER DISTRICT COURT

https://www.courts.state.co.us/dockets/index.cfm#results

Since her name appears does that mean she filed it?

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Anonymous wrote:The lynch mob mentality from "Chill" is truly chilling! You still have not answered my question as to the source of your information about her (Kelsey Berreth) taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court. CONTEXT CLUES? Who are you, a wannabe Sherlock Holmes? Do you have any idea how dangerous and damaging your false information is? You have set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner! Why are you so excited to proclaim this man a murderer? A person like you is really frightening!

Obviously Frazee’s family

+1 similar reaction from Scott Peterson's family and the Utah killer's family

Anonymous wrote:The grandmother may have been used to watching her granddaughter while her son had "me" time around the ranch and with his buddies.

She could have seen her son acting nonchalent at some point between Kelsey's murder and the disposal of her body.

Grandma might really and truly believe that her son is innocent and her main goal right now is keeping that baby safe among the people in her family that are familiar with her.

Grandma might also have been trash talking this mother too. Grandma mightbot have minded the murder so much as that leaves the child with her full time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m very curious about his motive. So far no evidence of a love triangle on either end, there doesn’t seem to be a financial angle.

Child support is a powerful financial angle.

They weren’t married but it’d been a year since the child was born and if they weren’t going to marry, she probably wanted a formal support contract in place. Or maybe she was ending the engagement and he got mad.

12/27/18
1:00 PM
1H
BERRETH, KELSEY
Temporary Custody Hearing
D602018JV26
Teller County
DIV 11 - TELLER DISTRICT COURT

https://www.courts.state.co.us/dockets/index.cfm#results

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lynch mob mentality from "Chill" is truly chilling! You still have not answered my question as to the source of your information about her (Kelsey Berreth) taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court. CONTEXT CLUES? Who are you, a wannabe Sherlock Holmes? Do you have any idea how dangerous and damaging your false information is? You have set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner! Why are you so excited to proclaim this man a murderer? A person like you is really frightening!

I'm going to hazard a guess that pp is repeating something that he/she read from friend of friend of Kelsey's second cousin (or whoever) on Facebook.

I wouldn't get so spun up about it. If it's true, it's pretty damning IMO. If it's not true than someone is repeating bad information.

Wow. I already linked to the news article saying the baby was placed with the maternal grandparents upon the arrest of the fiancée. Funny the PP has provided no factual basis or proof that this statement was anything but their imaginary wish - the temporary custody hearing for CPS to place the baby with her maternal grandparents.

Ah, that would make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The lynch mob mentality from "Chill" is truly chilling! You still have not answered my question as to the source of your information about her (Kelsey Berreth) taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court. CONTEXT CLUES? Who are you, a wannabe Sherlock Holmes? Do you have any idea how dangerous and damaging your false information is? You have set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner! Why are you so excited to proclaim this man a murderer? A person like you is really frightening!

I'm going to hazard a guess that pp is repeating something that he/she read from friend of friend of Kelsey's second cousin (or whoever) on Facebook.

I wouldn't get so spun up about it. If it's true, it's pretty damning IMO. If it's not true than someone is repeating bad information.

Wow. I already linked to the news article saying the baby was placed with the maternal grandparents upon the arrest of the fiancée. Funny the PP has provided no factual basis or proof that this statement was anything but their imaginary wish - the temporary custody hearing for CPS to place the baby with her maternal grandparents.

When a person continues to evade answering a simple question with defensive digressions, that person is no longer trustworthy.