Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP stop the BS and just admit you like the existence of puppy mills and auctions because you get emotional validation by pretending you are helping animals rather than admitting what you do creates markets for puppy mills and auctions. We can see through you.

Giving this a little more space, because the sentiment is correct.

ding ding ding

Virtue Signalling feels sooooooo good.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we please stop the silliness? No one goes through this process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I refuse to support rescues because they're bad people and do things wrong.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

This is the real process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I want a certain kind of dog.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

Own up to what you're doing and thinking, people. Quit the bs.

You forgot one.

1) I want a dog
2) I do not want a pitbull of any kind
3) I won't get one from a rescue because I do not trust them not to lie about the breeding of the dog.

Is there something wrong with not wanting a pitbull?

And I know people will say "rescues have more than just pitbulls" but I've actually volunteered in a rescue and while there are other breeds occasionally, they are either not available for adoption or they are claimed the second they become available. You'd have to camp there to get your claim on a non-pitbull.

Are you kidding me? Go to the websites of Lost Dog, the DC area shelters, Lucky Dog, etc. There are SO not only “occasionally” dogs other than pit bulls. There are tons of dogs that clearly have no pit in them whatsoever. I have easily adopted two non pits. Tons of beagles, hounds, terriers, etc. are for the taking. If you don’t want one of those dogs, that’s fine, but again own it. This hyperbole isn’t helping your case.

+100

Why does anyone need to "justify" it or have a "case" for something that is not illegal? This is not the underage sex trade.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP stop the BS and just admit you like the existence of puppy mills and auctions because you get emotional validation by pretending you are helping animals rather than admitting what you do creates markets for puppy mills and auctions. We can see through you.

Giving this a little more space, because the sentiment is correct.

ding ding ding

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People go to breeders because rescue people are crazy. If you have kids or work or don't have a fenced yard, then you aren't good enough for them.

I have 7 kids and no fence and two rescue dogs.
Wolf Trap Rescue will adopt to you. It just takes some looking to find the right dog/rescue. Breeders are more immediate gratification.

Unethical (aka puppy mills) or backyard breeders like the family with two dogs described up thread maybe, but even those of us who use breeders find those options to be awful.

Ethical breeders often have long waitlists. They interview each family, and they temperament test each puppy to match them appropriately with the right home. They often do genetic screenings and can provide you with the results of those screenings going back three or four generations. If you can walk into a breeder's living room and walk out with a puppy that day, you're not dealing with an ethical breeder but with someone focused on making money.

Anonymous wrote:OP stop the BS and just admit you like the existence of puppy mills and auctions because you get emotional validation by pretending you are helping animals rather than admitting what you do creates markets for puppy mills and auctions. We can see through you.

Giving this a little more space, because the sentiment is correct.

Why not just skip the dog and bring home a homeless person instead

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we please stop the silliness? No one goes through this process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I refuse to support rescues because they're bad people and do things wrong.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

This is the real process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I want a certain kind of dog.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

Own up to what you're doing and thinking, people. Quit the bs.

What's the BS? My family wants and/or needs certain things in a dog, including behavioral traits. Some families need dogs that are hypoallergenic or don't shed. I also want a dog that I know is clear of certain medical issues, and that requires results of genetic tests. I also want a dog that I know has a healthy and happy background and is not coming to us with major issues. I want a dog somewhere between 8wks and 2yrs old. Point me to the rescue organization that can do that, and I won't go to a breeder.

Otherwise you are still working on the presumption that any dog will work for any family and that is simply not true.

Wow, you completely missed the point. That was really impressive.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we please stop the silliness? No one goes through this process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I refuse to support rescues because they're bad people and do things wrong.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

This is the real process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I want a certain kind of dog.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

Own up to what you're doing and thinking, people. Quit the bs.

You forgot one.

1) I want a dog
2) I do not want a pitbull of any kind
3) I won't get one from a rescue because I do not trust them not to lie about the breeding of the dog.

Is there something wrong with not wanting a pitbull?

And I know people will say "rescues have more than just pitbulls" but I've actually volunteered in a rescue and while there are other breeds occasionally, they are either not available for adoption or they are claimed the second they become available. You'd have to camp there to get your claim on a non-pitbull.

Are you kidding me? Go to the websites of Lost Dog, the DC area shelters, Lucky Dog, etc. There are SO not only “occasionally” dogs other than pit bulls. There are tons of dogs that clearly have no pit in them whatsoever. I have easily adopted two non pits. Tons of beagles, hounds, terriers, etc. are for the taking. If you don’t want one of those dogs, that’s fine, but again own it. This hyperbole isn’t helping your case.

+100

Anonymous wrote:People go to breeders because rescue people are crazy. If you have kids or work or don't have a fenced yard, then you aren't good enough for them.

I have 7 kids and no fence and two rescue dogs.
Wolf Trap Rescue will adopt to you. It just takes some looking to find the right dog/rescue. Breeders are more immediate gratification.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we please stop the silliness? No one goes through this process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I refuse to support rescues because they're bad people and do things wrong.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

This is the real process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I want a certain kind of dog.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

Own up to what you're doing and thinking, people. Quit the bs.

You forgot one.

1) I want a dog
2) I do not want a pitbull of any kind
3) I won't get one from a rescue because I do not trust them not to lie about the breeding of the dog.

Is there something wrong with not wanting a pitbull?

And I know people will say "rescues have more than just pitbulls" but I've actually volunteered in a rescue and while there are other breeds occasionally, they are either not available for adoption or they are claimed the second they become available. You'd have to camp there to get your claim on a non-pitbull.

You haven't volunteered much then! That is absolutely not the case.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. What sucks? If I'm going to take responsibility for another living creature for 12-15yrs it makes sense that I'd be conscientious in deciding what animal to bring into my home. If I know what works for our family, and it isn't available at a shelter, why does it suck to get that pet elsewhere, in your opinion. Do I just say "sorry, kids. no pet for you because all breeders are evil yet what we want and need cannot be acquired via rescue."

Actually, yes. It would be a good life lesson for your kids. Sometimes you sacrifice for the greater good.

The problem with your approach is that it doesn't solve the problem of too many dogs in this country. The end result would be that eventually the only dogs available are ones created as a result of irresponsible owners and puppy mills. It's a "let the bad guys win" solution. My family not getting a dog in your scenario here is not part of any greater good.

I don't like dogs as pets but I will eat your rescue or your breeder pup. Send them my way.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we please stop the silliness? No one goes through this process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I refuse to support rescues because they're bad people and do things wrong.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

This is the real process:

1. I want a dog.
2. I want a certain kind of dog.
3. So I'll go to a breeder and get the exact dog that I want.

Own up to what you're doing and thinking, people. Quit the bs.

You forgot one.

1) I want a dog
2) I do not want a pitbull of any kind
3) I won't get one from a rescue because I do not trust them not to lie about the breeding of the dog.

Is there something wrong with not wanting a pitbull?

And I know people will say "rescues have more than just pitbulls" but I've actually volunteered in a rescue and while there are other breeds occasionally, they are either not available for adoption or they are claimed the second they become available. You'd have to camp there to get your claim on a non-pitbull.

Are you kidding me? Go to the websites of Lost Dog, the DC area shelters, Lucky Dog, etc. There are SO not only “occasionally” dogs other than pit bulls. There are tons of dogs that clearly have no pit in them whatsoever. I have easily adopted two non pits. Tons of beagles, hounds, terriers, etc. are for the taking. If you don’t want one of those dogs, that’s fine, but again own it. This hyperbole isn’t helping your case.

OP stop the BS and just admit you like the existence of puppy mills and auctions because you get emotional validation by pretending you are helping animals rather than admitting what you do creates markets for puppy mills and auctions. We can see through you.

Anonymous wrote:Does it count as a breeder if a family has two dogs that they breed?
They have a mommy and daddy dog that have a few litters over the years? They sell the puppies, but mommy and daddy are their family dogs?
Is that still evil?

I am the reputable breeder supporter. If non-experts breed dogs, it is indeed a bad thing for the healthy perpetuation of the species. Breeders should be required by law to test their breeding dogs for all the major genetic diseases and put the results in the CHIC database (as I already described in an earlier post on this thread). No dogs should be allowed to breed who have not come out clean. The cost of doing this will de facto eliminate all puppy mills and backyard breeders, who operate on small margins.

The point here is to look long-term at the future of dogs instead of focusing on saving individual dogs today. You're losing the battle if you saving a life and in the process enabling the production of dozens of new litters because shelters keep puppy mills in business.

The reality in this world is that if everyone was apprised of all the facts, the number of heated controversies would go way down.