Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 09:14     Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.


Agree. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This kid’s “right to fly” doesn’t supercede the hundreds of other people’s right to a non torturous flight.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 08:56     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/02/14/rude-passenger-booted-from-delta-flight-for-screaming-about-being-seated-near-baby.html

this is great. I love when the woman who refers to the attendant by first name and then drops the "you might not have a job tomorrow tabitha"

At which pointin time,. Tabitha tells the people that "I don't want her on MY plane" Miss bitch changes tune real fast. LOVE it...
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 07:10     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At a minimum, I am shocked the mother was not told the child could not climb all over the plane. Did the flight attendants do ANYTHING??


THIS. Anyone else, adult or child, climbing on seats and roaming around, would have been told immediately to return to his or her seats. That is not only incredibly rude behavior, it's also unsafe. I'm appalled the flight attendants didn't put a stop to it.


How did you gather of all of this from a 4 minute video?
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 00:43     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:At a minimum, I am shocked the mother was not told the child could not climb all over the plane. Did the flight attendants do ANYTHING??


THIS. Anyone else, adult or child, climbing on seats and roaming around, would have been told immediately to return to his or her seats. That is not only incredibly rude behavior, it's also unsafe. I'm appalled the flight attendants didn't put a stop to it.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 00:40     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And everyone on the flight survived! What a time to be alive!

Be thankful you don’t have a child like that. Have compassion for the parents, who have as much right as you do to be there. Put your headphones on and take a nap. You probably annoyed the hell out of someone at one point as a child.


I think you're missing the point. Had everyone been told there was a child with SN on the flight, and that it might be disruptive, and that they greatly appreciated everyone's patience, I imagine the reactions would have been totally different. People can be amazingly compassionate when faced with a situation like a SN child. I bet many of the passengers would have tried engaging the boy and seeing him in a completely different light if they had known he was SN (if, indeed, he was). But most likely, they thought he was just a spoiled kid whose parents weren't making any effort to rein him in. That's enough to make anyone mad.

The parents should have asked the flight crew to announce the situation and I bet the other passengers, while weary and tired, would have tried to make the best of it.


Seriously?

Not if the ole DCUM Club was on board, based on these comments.

Ok to call a potential SN kid an "animal" as a pp did?

Surely you kid.


No, I'm not kidding. The passengers probably assumed this was just a poorly behaved kid whose parents weren't doing anything about it. Had they all been told that this was a SN child, I imagine they would have been far more understanding and compassionate. I highly doubt that video would have been made at all. It would still have been a miserable flight, but most people understand that SN kids often have issues that can't be controlled.

None of us actually know if he was SN or not. If it was confirmed that he was, I highly doubt anyone would have called him an "animal" or made the other cruel remarks.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 21:22     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Lol imagine if he got into it with the emotional support peacock! Ever heard a peacock scream?
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 21:18     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shame on you, OP, for starting this thread. SHAME ON YOU!


Disagree. Thank you OP for pointing out unacceptable behavior by a parent and child.


Agreed but only with regard to the parent. The child is blameless. Outside extreme extenuating circumstances, like life saving surgery or bringing home a newly adopted child, this child shouldn’t have been put on that flight.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 21:17     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Wish a dog owner on the plane had a muzzle and leash!
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 21:17     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.vancourier.com/opinion/blogs-i-am-the-mother-of-that-screaming-kid-on-the-airplane-1.23176657


Nicely put.


I disagree. She assumes a lot in that article. She is not the actual mother, and was not on that flight, but wants to tell everyone why they’re wrong.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 21:12     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:Shame on you, OP, for starting this thread. SHAME ON YOU!


Disagree. Thank you OP for pointing out unacceptable behavior by a parent and child.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 20:59     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Anonymous wrote:http://www.vancourier.com/opinion/blogs-i-am-the-mother-of-that-screaming-kid-on-the-airplane-1.23176657


Nicely put.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 20:54     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
Shame on you, OP, for starting this thread. SHAME ON YOU!
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 20:44     Subject: 8 hours of screaming on a flight
http://www.vancourier.com/opinion/blogs-i-am-the-mother-of-that-screaming-kid-on-the-airplane-1.23176657
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 19:53     Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
What is with the indignation over some person recording this and putting it on the Internet? Big deal.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 19:45     Subject: Re:8 hours of screaming on a flight
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Anonymous wrote:Was the mom traveling alone with this SN child AND a baby? What about her partner? I didn’t see any efforts expended. No sorry or explanation to other passengers either. No preparation. No donwloaded materials, toys, Benadryl....What entitlement! She/They have probably gotten away with this and much worse before and this will continue.


No one knows if this kid was SN and not all SN kids act this way. It was bad parenting. You don't drug kids either.


The kid obviously has special needs. No 3 NT year old screams for 8 hrs (assuming that wasn't an exgaggeration).

Nobody here knows the full story, but people want to pile on the mom. No surprise there! Hopefully none of those folks consider themselves Christian.


It's not piling on the mom to recognize that she boarded a plane poorly prepared to take an 8 hour flight with a special needs child. If there were another caregiver or parent present, then that person would also be sharing the blame.


Of course it's piling on the mom. This video was placed online precisely to evoke humiliation and shaming of her. Who knows what measures she tried to take. Even if there were something else she could have done, there's no guarantee the kid would not have screamed. And at the end of the day, the passengers all went home, and this mom stayed the mother of an autistic little boy with some big struggles. Anyone who sees this video and does not feel a lot of sympathy for the mom is extremely self centered and ignorant. And yes, you can be both annoyed and sympathetic at the same time. It's called life. Being a GOOD person happens in exactly these kids of situations.


PP here. I'm a mom and grandmother who works with special needs kids every day. I have the utmost compassion for any parent who's trying to provide a loving, supportive home and environment for children with similar needs. I agree that the video should never have been posted. At the same time, it's clear from the video that she did not take the kinds of measures needed for an 8 hour flight with a 3 year old who exhibits these kinds of behaviors. Not even close, when you consider what's available.


What do you think is available? You of all people should know there's no magic recipe. Maybe she gave him benadryl and he had a paradoxical reaction. Maybe he's regressing and has never been this bad. Maybe she never took him on a flight before and didn't realize what would happen. Maybe she's an adoptive mom bringing him home. Maybe she's not even his mom. Maybe she throught physically restraining him at that moment would make it Do you think he should have been anesthisized and placed in a straight jacket? Moreover, this is a short clip. We actually have no idea how he behaved or what she did.


Did you watch the entire video?