Anonymous
01/31/2018 17:03
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now it used to be that if you asked around to find out which schools were the whitest, you would get some nasty accusations of racism. Not anymore! Check out GreatSchools, where ratings are nearly 100% correlated with race. The higher the number, the more white kids. The lower the number, the more black and Hispanic kids. It's that easy! And you can still tell your friends "We don't care what color the kids are. We just want the best schools." Everybody wins!
(Yes, of course I'm sarcastic. Not everybody wins. In fact, nearly all neighborhoods lose with such a targeted tool for white-flight. In the meantime, nobody learns anything about each school's principal, class size, facilities, discipline policy, philosophy, class offerings, etc. Just test scores. They're all that matters now. Am I bitter? You bet. People will say I'm just mad my school's rating dropped. Yes I am. This goddamn GreatSchools formula turns the fantastic kids at my local school into a liability -- little anchors weighing down property values. This is wrong.)
Little anchors are weighing the whole school district down. Most families don’t want to set up house that schools illegal aliens and their kids. I have seen how time consuming it is for the teachers to teach them. And sorry to say but they do decrease test scores, they will never close the gap, and they do lower home values. No one wants to live in a neighborhood that looks like a 3rd world country.
But you keep welcoming them as they decrease school and home values. Not to mention take up a large portion of our school budgets with more ESOL teachers and FARMS than our budget allows for. So we just ask for more and more money.
Asians assimilate and make education a priority. Even the poor ones. In NYC, it took poor non English speaking Asian immigrants only 6 months to bypass Hispanic and AA scores in public school. Within a year they were at or above whites. It doesn’t take money or white privilege to do well in school. It takes parents at home that prioritize education into their kids.
But don’t worry. The more they cross here and the more babies they pop out, Hispanics will dominate MC. They already are the majority in MCPS bypassing whites students last year. Mucho Gracias!!
I doubt the poster that made the ignorant comments above will change his or her mind. But just in case there are reasonable minded people that think the points made above have any level of validity I offer the following:
You can find 100s of articles just like the one provided below with stats and citations from actual experts that study race relations.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks
A piece from New York Magazine's Andrew Sullivan over the weekend ended with an old, well-worn trope: Asian-Americans, with their "solid two-parent family structures," are a shining example of how to overcome discrimination.
Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities;
"Sullivan's comments showcase a classic and tenacious conservative strategy," Janelle Wong, the director of Asian American Studies at the University of Maryland, College Park, said in an email. This strategy, she said, involves "1) ignoring the role that selective recruitment of highly educated Asian immigrants has played in Asian American success followed by 2) making a flawed comparison between Asian Americans and other groups, particularly Black Americans, to argue that racism, including more than two centuries of black enslavement, can be overcome by hard work and strong family values."
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:45
Subject: Re:GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:I'd like a straightforward summary from the "reality" posters. Why should parents use GreatSchools to self-segregate by race, which was the original question.
Race is always a red herring. You can sub for Socioeconomic status which is highly correlated with race especially in this area but it should never be about race. The facts do bare out that overall test scores Asians > Whites > Hispanics > Blacks and surprise surprise that is the same chain for SocioEconomic status. Now before I get jumped on this is on average. Of course there are going to be people who don't fit the trends.
You should use GreatSchools to find the environments where you are surrounded with people that are the "smartest" Now I am the first to admit, are test scores really the best proxy for intelligence perhaps not but it's kind of like capitalism it's the best model we have to go on.
So combining the two being around people of higher SocioEconomic Status provides positive outcomes. It's no surprise that greatschools scores almost always correlate with overall housing prices in an area. People pay more me to be in better school districts. Its been this way for years. Greatschools has just provided the data.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:44
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
It's sad people are more interested in playing the race and victimhood card instead of dealing with reality.
Every day racism is the reality, especially after Trump got elected. We deal with this reality every day.
Yes there was no racism when Obama was in office. LOL
There was racism under Obama as well, but the racists were the same. Now they are roaming free and say more and more outrageous things because they are encouraged by the racist-in-chief.
Are you 10yrs old? You sound like one
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:31
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
It's sad people are more interested in playing the race and victimhood card instead of dealing with reality.
Every day racism is the reality, especially after Trump got elected. We deal with this reality every day.
Yes there was no racism when Obama was in office. LOL
There was racism under Obama as well, but the racists were the same. Now they are roaming free and say more and more outrageous things because they are encouraged by the racist-in-chief.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:28
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
It's sad people are more interested in playing the race and victimhood card instead of dealing with reality.
Every day racism is the reality, especially after Trump got elected. We deal with this reality every day.
Yes there was no racism when Obama was in office. LOL
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:26
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Now it used to be that if you asked around to find out which schools were the whitest, you would get some nasty accusations of racism. Not anymore! Check out GreatSchools, where ratings are nearly 100% correlated with race. The higher the number, the more white kids. The lower the number, the more black and Hispanic kids. It's that easy! And you can still tell your friends "We don't care what color the kids are. We just want the best schools." Everybody wins!
(Yes, of course I'm sarcastic. Not everybody wins. In fact, nearly all neighborhoods lose with such a targeted tool for white-flight. In the meantime, nobody learns anything about each school's principal, class size, facilities, discipline policy, philosophy, class offerings, etc. Just test scores. They're all that matters now. Am I bitter? You bet. People will say I'm just mad my school's rating dropped. Yes I am. This goddamn GreatSchools formula turns the fantastic kids at my local school into a liability -- little anchors weighing down property values. This is wrong.)
Little anchors are weighing the whole school district down. Most families don’t want to set up house that schools illegal aliens and their kids. I have seen how time consuming it is for the teachers to teach them. And sorry to say but they do decrease test scores, they will never close the gap, and they do lower home values. No one wants to live in a neighborhood that looks like a 3rd world country.
But you keep welcoming them as they decrease school and home values. Not to mention take up a large portion of our school budgets with more ESOL teachers and FARMS than our budget allows for. So we just ask for more and more money.
Asians assimilate and make education a priority. Even the poor ones. In NYC, it took poor non English speaking Asian immigrants only 6 months to bypass Hispanic and AA scores in public school. Within a year they were at or above whites. It doesn’t take money or white privilege to do well in school. It takes parents at home that prioritize education into their kids.
But don’t worry. The more they cross here and the more babies they pop out, Hispanics will dominate MC. They already are the majority in MCPS bypassing whites students last year. Mucho Gracias!!
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:12
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
It's sad people are more interested in playing the race and victimhood card instead of dealing with reality.
Dealing with reality is way more work and it takes people to places where they don't feel comfortable. It's much easier to simply call someone a racist.
Some people on this forum are so obviously racist that it makes me uncomfortable. That's the reality I deal with. But there are good people on both sides, even among the Nazis.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:11
Subject: Re:GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
I'd like a straightforward summary from the "reality" posters. Why should parents use GreatSchools to self-segregate by race, which was the original question.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 16:02
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
It's sad people are more interested in playing the race and victimhood card instead of dealing with reality.
Dealing with reality is way more work and it takes people to places where they don't feel comfortable. It's much easier to simply call someone a racist.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 14:21
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
It's sad people are more interested in playing the race and victimhood card instead of dealing with reality.
Every day racism is the reality, especially after Trump got elected. We deal with this reality every day.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 14:07
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
It's sad people are more interested in playing the race and victimhood card instead of dealing with reality.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 13:37
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".
No, you are the puppet.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 13:35
Subject: Re:GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
This. In Moco, a number of the "lower" performing schools have IB and other advanced programs that attract bright students. Wheaton , a 4 or 5 in GS, has an amazing biomed program. Rockville, a 5 in GS, has IB. I can go on and on. Smart parents know not to just look at Greatschools. It amazes me when I meet people who solely rely on these ratings. It's very naive,
I have a 30 minute commute downtown for work. Does that make me smart or dumb? Racist or Jesus Re-incarnated?
It makes you selfish if you are sacrificing the quality of education for your kid for a shorter commute. Get a better job so you can either afford a better close in school district or you can afford private
No, we live in Bethesda not Wheaton or Rockville. Plus do private.
Because of course, if your child went to Wheaton that would be horrible for his education, right?
Anonymous
01/31/2018 13:04
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
You don't say.
Anonymous
01/31/2018 13:00
Subject: GreatSchools makes segregation easy!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder who these folks are who need to INSIST that there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools. What's their angle? Everyone has something to prove, so what is theirs?
Liars think *everyone* lies and cheaters think *everyone* cheats. It's a crutch that protects the psyche. So people who avoid schools with any poor or minority kids think *everyone* of their class or race does it. If they acknowledged that not everyone does this, they would need to look closely at their own motivations and they might not like what they see.
It's funny, instead of responding what was actually said, you guys always do the same thing. Change what someone says and then attack them on the thing that they didn't say. They didn't say that "there are no MC/UMC folks in economically diverse schools". What was said was that "no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools". You are the racists who change the phrase "lower performing" to "economically diverse".